Best guess.

I think the rule is here that once the runner retouches first without retouching second, he has screwed himself and can't undo what he did. thus an appeal of second would be an out.

Mets,

Dustin can correct me if I'm wrong obviously, but I thought you could only be called out for running out of the baseline if you were doing so for the express purpose of avoiding a tag.

Aries,

Yeah. I brought this situation up to other umpires and one of them was telling me to call him out for being out of the baseline- but you are exactly right.


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well, not exactly right. If they were running around "making a mockery of the game" they could be called out too. Or if they had abandoned their bag because they thought they were out or there were 3 outs or something, they could be called out too- but that isnt exactly the same situation

I only know #6. The others would be guesses.

Pro Baseball:

1. The home manager turns in two lineup cards which it develops are not identical. The umpire's copy shows the shortstop batting seventh and the pitcher hitting ninth. The card which is to be given the visitor's manager, however, lists the pitcher in both the No. 7 and 9 spots, an error which the umpire failed to note. In the third inning, the visiting skipper comes to the plate, pulls out the lineup card and asks for a ruling. What is it?

[spoiler] The cop the umpire gets counts [/spoiler]


2. A hard-hitting catcher twists his knee running the bases and is limping slightly. The manager, in an effort to keep his slugger in the lineup, orders the catcher to switch positions with the first baseman. They do so but the umpires are not informed. What is the penalty?

[spoiler] no penalty [spoiler]

3. Angered by a close play at the plate, the catcher argues heatedly with the ump, forgetting the batter-runner, a very fast man, is steaming around the bases. In frustrated anger, the catcher insults the umpire and is ejected by the offended official. The catcher stops arguing with the umpire, and notices the batter racing around 3rd. The catcher applies the tag on the runner in aclose play, but definitley before the runner touches home. Does the run count?

[spoiler] im guessing but i think the runner must go back to third because an ejection automatically calls timeout, however you cant really call time out in the middle of a play so this seems totally improper, idk [spoiler]


4. Numbers 5, 6, 7 and 8 in the batting order are due to bat in the inning. Number 7 leads off (out of order) and doubles and number 6 sacrifices him to third. Number 5 then comes to the plate and takes one pitch before the defense appeals. What is the ruling?

[spoiler] Number 7's AB is officialized by the team pitching to the next guy so he is allowed to stay on, however the next batter now due up should be #8 #6's sacrafice is also out of turn but his AB is also officialized by the defense throwing a pitch to the next batter. By #6 battuing last and his AB being officlaized the next batetr due up should be #7. If the defense appeals in the middle of an atbat the other team can switch batetrs and have the correct batetr assume the AB without penalty. However, that batter is on the bases. #7 must bat AND he is on 2nd. The team batting MUST pinch run and have #7 come up again [spoiler]


5. A delivery by the pitcher hits the ground in front of the plate and the umpire calls out "Ball." But the pitch skips over the plate and the batter slams it over the right field wall. Is this a homer?

[spoiler] yes [spoiler]


6. With a runner on first base and none out, the batter strikes out, but the catcher drops the ball. The batter runs to first and the runner on first heads toward second. The catcher recovers the ball and throws wildly past first base. The runner form first scores and the batter winds up at third. What is the ruling?

[spolier] the batter is out because first base was occupied with less than 2 outs, the other runners can advance to wherever the hell they feel like at their own risk [spoiler]


7. There are two outs and a 3-and-1 count on the batter when the stupid runner on third tries to steal home. The pitch is low and inside and he is tagged out. What about the batter?

[spoiler] he walked, the next batter bats next inning[spoiler]

8. A runner at third base attempts to score on a ground ball to short. Before he reaches the plate, however, the throw strikes him in the head and knocks him unconscious. The catcher retrieves the ball and tags the fallen runner. Is he out?

[spoiler] yes [spoiler]

9. The batter socks a homer over the left field fence. He is midway between second and third when the first base coach, noting that the runner stepped over first, attracts his attention. The batter-runner retouches second, goes back and tags first, then continues around the bases. Is this legal?

[spoiler] yes [spoiler]

10. The base runner slides hard into third base and the loose bag slides away from him. The fielder applies the tag. Is the runner out?

[spoiler] no, but this cant happen in a professional game, only a little league game [spoiler]

The batting otu of order rules are VERY complicated but i know them isndie and out, anyone who said anything other than what i said is wrong

will a mod edit my post, i cant figure this spoiler **** oyut

actually oooh i was wrong abotu the proper batter being on base, the next guy gets to go, hah cool sitatuation i never even really thought about it

you type spoil, not spoiler

scheme,



or anyone elses.

ANSWERS:


1. The home manager turns in two lineup cards which it develops are not identical. The umpire's copy shows the shortstop batting seventh and the pitcher hitting ninth. The card which is to be given the visitor's manager, however, lists the pitcher in both the No. 7 and 9 spots, an error which the umpire failed to note. In the third inning, the visiting skipper comes to the plate, pulls out the lineup card and asks for a ruling. What is it?

A. The lineup in the plate umpire's possession is the official batting order. Since that order was followed, the appeal is disregarded. (4.01c)



2. A hard-hitting catcher twists his knee running the bases and is limping slightly. The manager, in an effort to keep his slugger in the lineup, orders the catcher to switch positions with the first baseman. They do so but the umpires are not informed. What is the penalty?

A. None. Players already in the lineup may shift positions without advising the umpires, although it is customary to inform the umpire-in-chief so he can have the changes announced to the newspeople and fans.



3. Angered by a close play at the plate, the catcher argues heatedly with the ump, forgetting the batter-runner, a very fast man, is steaming around the bases. In frustrated anger, the catcher insults the umpire and is ejected by the offended official. The catcher stops arguing with the umpire, and notices the batter racing around 3rd. The catcher applies the tag on the runner in aclose play, but definitley before the runner touches home. Does the run count?


A. Yes, the run scored legally. If a player is ejected during the course if a play, the disqualification does not take effect until all action on the play has ended (5.10h, 9.01d).



4. Numbers 5, 6, 7 and 8 in the batting order are due to bat in the inning. Number 7 leads off and doubles and number 6 sacrifices him to third. Number 5 then comes to the plate and takes one pitch before defense appeals. What is the ruling?

A. The first pitch to number 6 legalized number 7's double and the pitch to number 5 legalized the sacrifice. Number 7 is the proper batter at the point of appeal, but since he is on third, his turn is passed over and number 8 becomes the proper batter. (6.07c, 6.07-Approved Rulings Play 6)



5. A delivery by the pitcher hits the ground in front of the plate and the umpire calls out "Ball." But the pitch skips over the plate and the batter slams it over the right field wall. Is this a homer?

A. Yes. The umpire erred in calling the pitch too soon. The batter may hit a pitch even though it first touches the ground. (5.03, 7.05a, 2.00 Definition of Ball)



6. With a runner on first base and none out, the batter strikes out, but the catcher drops the ball. The batter runs to first and the runner on first heads toward second. The catcher recovers the ball and throws wildly past first base. The runner form first scores and the batter winds up at third. What is the ruling?

A. First of all, with less than two out and first base occupied, the batter was automatically out when he missed the third strike. The runner on first, of course, was free to advance at his own risk since the ball remains in play. The mere fact that the batter, although already out, ran to first base and drew a throw is not cause for a ruling of interference by the batter. The catcher should have known that the batter was out and ignored him. The run counts and the team continues batting with the bases empty and one out. (6.05c, 7.09f)



7. There are two outs and a 3-and-1 count on the batter when the stupid runner on third tries to steal home. The pitch is low and inside and he is tagged out. What about the batter?

A. Since this is a legal delivery, the called ball on the pitch takes precedence. Therefore the batter draws a walk, but the out on the base runner immediately retires the side. (6.08a)



8. A runner at third base attempts to score on a ground ball to short. Before he reaches the plate, however, the throw strikes him in the head and knocks him unconscious. The catcher retrieves the ball and tags the fallen runner. Is he out?


A. Yes. When a player is injured while a play is in progress, nothing can be done about the injury until the action is completed. The ball remains alive. (5.02, 5.10c, 7.08c)



9. The batter socks a homer over the left field fence. He is midway between second and third when the first base coach, noting that the runner stepped over first, attracts his attention. The batter-runner retouches second, goes back and tags first, then continues around the bases. Is this legal?

A. No. The ball becomes dead when it leaves the park and, when the ball is dead, no runner may return to touch a missed base after he has touched the next base. To retire the runner, the defensive team must have the pitcher put the new ball in play and throw to first base. The coach, of course, should have remained silent and permitted his player to circle the bases, hoping the opponents would fail to notice this failure to touch first (7.02, 7.10b-Approved Ruling, 7.10b PLAY b)


10. The base runner slides hard into third base and the loose bag slides away from him. The fielder applies the tag. Is the runner out?

A. He is safe. No play can be made on a runner at that base if the bag becomes dislodged after he has reached it safely. If there is further action on the play, any succeeding runner need only occupy or touch the space formerly occupied by the base. (7.08c-Approved Rulings 1-2)

well i got everything accept the ejection question, that one was tough. Also that runner on 3rd being the proper batter is a good one, ive never thought about that.

I don't get it. Wouldn't he be out?

i think thats what he meant, the runner was tagged out legally

woops good catch. the runner is out.

Here's one for (college) football rules.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=263132

In the answer to Question 4 - what happens to Batter #5? Is he out and #8 is up?

he isnt out because the defense didn't appeal it properly

immediately after the improper batter bats they need to appeal it before another pitch is thrown or before attempting a play on a runner

don't ask what happens if the offense initiates a play before they appeal because that rule various across different rulesets. I think ncaa and highschool have a rule governing that but not pro rules

Ok I read the major league rule. In Q. 4 actually nothing happens to Batter #5, he could stay up at bat, but remain an improper batter, or he could be replaced by Batter #8 at any time during the at bat and #8 would inherit the count at the time he replaced #5. So you get Eddie Gaudel (or another midget) to always be the improper batter but replace him with the proper batter when ever he gets to three balls.

thats why there is rule 9.03c, which says that basically the rules don't cover everything and that umpires have the authority to step in cases where they don't

intentionally putting the wrong batter up would certainly qualify as a situation where 9.03 would come into play-

but most pitchers can still throw strikes even to midgets

and umpires would just call anything close a strike anyways since nobody likes angleshooters

Yeah I figured there had to be a rule like that but the rulebook on the MLB site skips Rule 9.03c.

no, its there

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y20...the_umpire.pdf

its 9.01c not 9.03c btw

lol

BTW, the pitcher could simply hit Gaudel and then appeal the play when ehs on first