I play a good bit in Florida and know the limits are smaller but, with all due respect, I dont believe florida players are as aweful as your all making them out to be. There is big tournameent play in Florida. I have to mention Harrison Gimbel this years 19 year old PCA champ who also won 67,000+ in the florida poker championship the year before. So he obv has played alot in Florida and it hasnt done him so bad!

also, this intra state poker platform seems the way the US may go after its legalized. Im sure this will affect the popularity of rooms such as Cake, Pokerstars etc once the US players are given a place of there own to play off of these sites.

Yes, just look at Las Vegas the economic growth since full fledged gambling was started there has been nothing. LOL the above comment is one of the dumbest i have read on this forum. The last time i checked the employees in Nevada do not pay state income tax, so the tax argument is completely asinine to.

Yes, but 3 things to consider:

1. Gambling was illegal in the rest of the country. This monopoly led to the creation of all the casinos. It's proximity to California didnt hurt either.
2. It was created for the most part by the mafia who ran (run?) it up until relatively recently.
3. Now that there are other (better) places who have gambling, Vegas is looking a lot less attractive

If Florida goes full gambling, there are a lot fewer reasons to go to Vegas because there are a LOT more things to do here than in Vegas. Vegas has gambling and shows, nothing else. Unless you like hanging out in the desert. Dont say golf either, because we have a lot better golf courses and can golf year round with better weather.

Vegas isnt doing a great job of weathering the current recession, whereas FLA tourism is doing pretty well.

FYI- Florida is a no income tax sate also.

I agree with this. Fred Golberg, Vanessa Rousso, Hayden Fortini, Mathew Waxman, Stuart Patterson, Maurice Hawkins..there's a long list of very good Florida Players. Oh yeah, that Mizrachi guy is from here too

It makes no difference that a few good players are from Florida. I have played poker all over the US and believe me there are more donks at Hard Rock Tampa than you will see anywhere.

These people have no knowledge of any poker concepts at all. I go there almost everyday and play and Just about every single hand I shake my head in disbelief about how badly the hand was played and how horrible the calls or betting was.

My favorite is the huge number of people that make $5 straight pre flop in 1/2nl, even after several limps and even from the blinds lol.

i was going to bite my tongue on this one, but I cant. Im born and raised in NJ and play mostly AC and NYC. My parents live in Florida and I have played, tampa, Hollywood, Melbourne greyhound, Daytona Beach, Suncruz casinos etc., they are the easiest games I have found, and you know what, thats a beautiful thing, if your all going to be so great about doggint hese players why dont you do what I did, and come down here for a long period of time AND MAKE MONEY. This is the easiest games in the country. Just play 1/2 with your 100 buy in bc 5/10 is redic obv, and grind, its so easy to make 500- 1k+ a week. Now having said that, these are the normal locals you get in every casino. There in AC too all day every day if you know what your looking for. That doesnt mean that theres not some really, really, did i say really, sick players in Florida. I know, I promise you Paris if your looking to keep dogging these Florida players, theres plenty who wouldnt mind sitting with you everyday, so be careful what you wish for. Be happy you found a berry patch and maximize it. Thats a beautiful thing, but I would sop short of calling Florida players the worst in the country, afterall they did just do VERY well in the Borgata winter Open! And im a Jersey boy born and raised, but my parents live down there so I can spend lots of time there, which is where im at now, between Melbourne and Daytona, with stops in Hollywood, and im not bragging about the easiness of these games AND YOU SHOULDNT BE EITHER! Why do you want other people to know this????? Really wake up, stop promoting the easiness of these games, its bad business!!!!!!!

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Small stakes guarantee poor play. The $100 cap guarantees small stakes. The number of fish in the state will only be a factor if the $100 cap games turn out to be a stepping stone towards "real" poker. I happen to think it will be just as tourneys are a stepping stone. However many of the fish will lose more than they ever thought possible and never come back.

And casinos did nothing to boost the economy of northwest Mississippi, either.

Has the Grinder fallen on hard times of late?

This is fundamentally not true. Playing small stakes, short stack poker (SS Poker) is what it is and requires a different strategy to be successful. I have my own reasons why Florida poker players are considered by most to be the worst players:

1) Most experienced players are not used to playing SS Poker. When seasoned players come visit Florida and don't adjust their game, they will make sub-optimal plays that seasoned Florida players think are "bad". Conversely those seasoned players think the Florida player that "sucked out" on him but in reality made the optimal play considering the short stack, is really a "donkey" and if/when the stakes change that Florida player will lose big time.

2) Because Florida does not have many other gambling options, people who like to gamble but don't understand poker end up playing poker because they don't have other options. Case in point, before HR Hollywood offered Blackjack, 50 tables were full and there was always a wait list. Most of those player were recreational gamblers that were terrible at poker. The day they started to offer blackjack, those gamblers stopped playing poker. I believe the quality of play in poker went way up when blackjack was offered at HR.

3) There are many really rich older people in South Florida that play poker for the social aspects of it. They don't give a **** if they lose a few hundred dollars. Also there are many elderly people on fixed incomes that play for the same reasons. They play tight and are easy to read.

The percentage of stupid people in Florida is no different to that of California, Nevada, NJ, or anywhere else. (I am sure some of you will disagree with that.) It is because of the reasons listed above why Florida poker has the reputation it has. When the stakes are lifted reason 1 will go away. There will be a transition period in which the Florida player must adjust his game but eventually that player will adjust or go broke.

When full casinos are offered reason 2 will go away. This process has already started in South Florida as blackjack and slots continue to exapnd. If full casinos become the norm, only "poker players" will play poker and the recreational gambler will be at the craps table or at the slot machines.

Reason 3 will always exist as long as Florida offers sunny, pleasant weather which is why I think Florida will be the next center of the poker universe.

I am in total agreement, that was my point that full on gambling will not hurt the local business it will help it. I already made the point if and when the limits are raised in Florida i may never go to Vegas again, way to many things to do there vs. the Desert. Did not know Florida did not have state income tax that is another plus.

A good deep stack player is by definition a good short stack player since you're playing the effective stack size of the short stack in the hand. e.g. in my daily game where the average player has 500 BBs with many buying in 1000-2000BBs there's generally a lot of 3 betting in position unless there are short stacks behind. It's all relative of course and we consider 100 BB to be a short stack. In that case everyone tightens up.

The converse isn't true though. A good short stack player can always get up after doubling or tripling up and is never forced into playing deep stack.
This is part of the reason the WSOP main event is considered the softest tourney in the world. Tourney players with little deep stack experience are forced to play deep, at least early on. It's a lot easier for cash game players to memorize shipping ranges than the typical tourney player to learn how to read the texture of the board.

How could you leave off the best player from FL, Boosted J

I left off a lot of players..Jason Mercier, Kevin (whatever his last name is from Coral Springs) Tristin Wade, Raj, the list is long. I'm not going to say there aren't a lot of donks, but there are a ton of action junkies whose play will change when the limits change. There are some very good players in Florida contrary to popular belief.

Thanks so much for the update on the new Bill HB7001, which would make the changes contained in the Compact Bill Law and effective July 2010.

Always enjoy your posts and getting the whole picture of "exactly" where the pending changes to the Florida Poker Laws are at!

So much of what is posted elsewhere or talked about is nothing more then rumor and BS.

Sorta like saying there's some good food in the dumpster

yw! There should be some more news this week or next.

I've been lurking this thread for a few weeks now and I just wanted to say Thanks for all of the information.... I have been waiting for uncapped poker here in Tampa for years now. It's nice to see were actually getting somwhere and I am really looking forward to seeing what takes place. I personally play @Silks and The Rock.

I think once it goes into effect its going to be a **** show, nobody is prepared for it. The real question is "WHEN" it gets passed is management at these pari's going to be ready for these games? I've spoke with a few people at different card rooms and it doesnt seem like they are preparing for it at all, I could be wrong but that was the impression I got from talking to them.

Either way I think its great for the State and I will be tuning in to this thread every other day, because it seems like you guys are the only ones that actually really know what the hell is going on with this thing.....

Any opinions as to whether Tampa or Hollywood will have bigger games? In the old thread I remember the consensus was that Hollywood would probably have a regular 20/40 NL based on the fact there are already 20/40 home games in the area. But people have also mentioned Tampa games may be the juciest in the country. How big do you guys expect the Tampa games to get?

The biggest they had in Tampa the week they had true no limit was 10/25. I dont think they could regularly have anything higher than that running, but I could be wrong. There is TONS more money down in South Florida, I would expect higher stakes there

i think 10/25 will run every day in tampa. 25/50/100 prob the biggest it'll get in hollywood.

I know of a 50/100 game in boca with a lot of regs, limits will are gonna get pretty big at Hollywood on some nights, when they ha the "First" night of uncapped buy-ins there were guys with briefcases full of money and one pot was over $90k accoring to a dealer there, who knows the next Bobby's Room could be in south florida.