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04-24-2011 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by aura
^^^^^ You're right. We need to get the word out and crush the stigma that poker player have.

Are you from AZ? Do you want to join their group? Do you want to start a group?
I lived in AZ for 20 years. We had a small PPA meeting in PHX about 3-4 years ago (there were 3 of us), and made a similar suggestion. I was looked at like I was suggesting murder, and I was not invited back. I still stayed in continual contact with the offices of my US Rep and Senators.

I'm now in Rome, GA and have spent most every spare moment the last week attempting to contact my current Rep and Senators. I had forgotten how much it tickles when they blow smoke up my a**.
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04-24-2011 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by stevenrh1
Don’t you guys see how this country works? Yes it's great that we harass/annoy senators and etc. who don’t support our cause, but look... When NPR's Juan Williams says something controversial on O'Rileys show, O'Riley bashes NPR to death, then the house fights to get rid of their funding. That would NEVER happen if some people simply wrote/harassed their congressmen about that issue.
The way this country's political system works is as follows, and these are the facts (as I see them);

1) Elected officials are elected based on votes.
2) They NEED money and lots of it to be a viable candidate, so they can push agendas of their contributors so long as they can spin it in a way that will at least sway some of the people (you know, tax cuts for the rich will trickle down to everyone, etc).
3) Public opinion is not swayed so much by the elected official, it's done more so by pundits and media.
4) Pundits and media have two priorities; mainly rating rating rating will equal money money money, but also the owner of Fox favors republicans and their ideology, while msnbc favors dems and theirs.
5) Therefore our "leaders" are not really "leaders", but more like followers, since they are forced to follow public opinion and that of their contributors.
6) If you can sway the media/pundits, you will win the war since they will sway public opinion, which will in turn sway our public officials.
7) Trying to sway the public officials means almost nothing when the poles don’t support it, influence the media/pundits, they will then influence the polls and we can win this war.

We need to start a list of pundit outlets, conservative/libertarian/republican alike. I was surprised to see John Stossel from Fox on our side! So don’t write off the guys from fox. We need to start a massive campaign to get them interested and expressing their views about this issue. Does anyone want to help get a thread and contact info together for this?

Poker is not a talked about issue by Obama or anyone else because the media isn't talking about it. We need to influence them and get them talking about it!

Thanks,
Steve
Stevenrh1
Have you read the entire thread? This thread is focused on organizing groups by state for local demonstrations/rallys. So far we have approximately 9 states and another country organizing groups. So far there are groups in D.C.; Central IL / Chicago; New Jersey, Virginia; Arizona; Dallas/Fort Worth; Delawar;, Philadelphia; even Australia. Feel free to join an existing group or start your own. You could help a group with a media campaign. Tell us how you want to help. Please follow us on Twitter @goipp.

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04-24-2011 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by groo
I lived in AZ for 20 years. We had a small PPA meeting in PHX about 3-4 years ago (there were 3 of us), and made a similar suggestion. I was looked at like I was suggesting murder, and I was not invited back. I still stayed in continual contact with the offices of my US Rep and Senators.

I'm now in Rome, GA and have spent most every spare moment the last week attempting to contact my current Rep and Senators. I had forgotten how much it tickles when they blow smoke up my a**.
Glad to see that you're doing something!

Too bad the group didn't take you seriously before. We'll be glad to have you join us!

Would it be okay if we consider a Georgia group started?
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04-24-2011 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by aura
As pokergrinder said, there's a website up. If there's a better way to have one up, I wouldn't mind taking the content and moving to a better site.

The one thing I think we really need on the site is a way for info to be updated quickly and for people to make comments. This is why the blog section of the current website is really cool, imo.

I'll pm you later or you can reply here.

Thanks for the offer.
Glad to help. From what I can see the only benefit I would offer over what you are doing now is you would be able to use your own domain name. So unless you really need that and it's otherwise working for you now, I would say stay where you are.

If your traffic or needs outgrow what you can get via the free ******** account then maybe you can consider moving. I don't have any built-in site creation tools and such but putting up a blog is no big deal and I would be happy to help you with stuff like that (I'm not an artist or designer though).
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04-24-2011 , 06:27 PM
Welcome, new Florida group member- mark100net!
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04-24-2011 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by aura

btw, I thought of a simple demonstration: the objective is to show just how harmless poker is.

Two people sitting on chairs playing poker for pennies. The more non-threatening they appear to be, the better. A petite girl would be great!

Signs around with various things like "Why would the gov't ban this?" and "Does this scare you?" and other signs around. How does that sound?

... to make it "online" we'd have to pretend, of course. Maybe mice and laptops for show and money exchange in real money... or.... can we still play for play money anywhere? I think that would work!

Just an idea.....
this is a great idea...we could do this in front of the capitol or in front of the white house since poker is legal in dc we could come outthere with laptops and play on the sidewalk! it'd be fun

btw, for those pessimists out there, i've read everything that's been put out about this and almost all media is on our side...the conservative media sees it as a personal freedom issue and the liberal side sees it as a money grab by the gov't...most people are on our side we just have to get them to care about the issue
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04-24-2011 , 10:35 PM
heh...since transferring money is illegal online...i was thinking we could play on facebook and bring physical money and pay each other after each hand! this would be perfectly legal in every way i think, since it will be a demonstration we have the right of assembly even if its technically playing poker on a street corner

....great idea aura...really think this would work if it got media coverage...we could make it into one of those a-thons and play like a 48 hour session or something!
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04-24-2011 , 11:02 PM
^^^^^ Thanks.

I've thought of the marathon thing... to save the sanity of everyone involved... how about this:

The first time, it's one or two pairs of people on laptops.

Then we have at least one more pair.... I suppose single players can work as well... added every week.

Every week, more playing.... more signs... more attention. We could always bring flyers and questionnaires.

The people would see how completely non-threatening this is, and I'm sure we'd recruit more to join in every week.

It could be a constant with each outing when we go to the national mall.... I'm not sure about doing it in front of the White House..... the mall is such a good place to reach the most people... but we could have the demonstrators at the white House. There's probably some kinda rule where you gotta keep moving in front of the WH (security). I think it could work at the mall, too.

Btw, D.C. group.... how does going out on the 6th, 7th, or 8th of May sound? We need to plan this if we want to get out there by then!

pm me & I'll give you my email if I haven't already.
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04-24-2011 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by unrealzeal
heh...since transferring money is illegal online...i was thinking we could play on facebook and bring physical money and pay each other after each hand! this would be perfectly legal in every way i think, since it will be a demonstration we have the right of assembly even if its technically playing poker on a street corner

....great idea aura...really think this would work if it got media coverage...we could make it into one of those a-thons and play like a 48 hour session or something!
Hmmmm.....that is interesting. What is the world record for the longest-running continual poker game? Maybe we could try to break it, and get the media to cover it?
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04-24-2011 , 11:16 PM
^^^^^ if it's a continuous game (alternating people), then I think we might be able to do it..... but it won't be pretty. We should probably consider it after we get out there a couple times.

Also, it'll be much better if we have more people.

More people available to jump in = much better

I know I get cranky when I don't eat or sleep for awhile.



edit: I don't think we're gonna break the record. We can't beat this. Cliffs: the game ran for eight years!

I really think just increasing the participants every week could gain a ton of attention.

This is also the type of thing the other groups could do on the same day. More and more each week... in more and more places.

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04-25-2011 , 01:03 AM
we could def do it on the mall we would just need a permit from the park service...this would be very easy to get

btw...i've played live 27hour sessions before i could do 48...i'm sure there are a lot of ppl who can...also we can do stuff like have coaches to let ppl sit in and show em how to play...we could also do different games...any volunteers out there?
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04-25-2011 , 01:13 AM
actually we could just play on pokerstars play money...that would be perfect and soooo ironic
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04-25-2011 , 01:23 AM
^^^^^ def this
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04-25-2011 , 01:55 AM
I want in on the Philly group, if someone could PM me details. I think it would be awesome to set up tables and play in a public place such as City Hall, Love park, top of the Art Museum steps. Our area is crawling with degenerate gamblers and with the right organization we could get a decent turnout and some media coverage out of such an event.
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04-25-2011 , 02:03 AM
^^^^^ great! pm illphillllllll... just to be sure (tough name to type), go here and pm

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0&postcount=25
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04-25-2011 , 02:12 AM
PM sent. Thank you.
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04-25-2011 , 02:52 AM
I really think we should do this ONLY in jurisdictions where poker is explicitly LEGAL
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04-25-2011 , 02:57 AM
Do what? I know people pass out stuff at the national mall all the time. afaik play money poker is still legal.

You're right, though. We have to make sure we're not doing anything terribly unlawful. Required permits attained when necessary.

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04-25-2011 , 03:24 AM
but the thing is it won't be play money...we will be trading physical money back and forth after each hand...that is a clever way to show how silly the feds position on it is and how it goes against the wishes and jurisdiction of the states

so playing online poker for real money has to be legal...which i believe it is in DC? anywhere else?

thoughts?

edit: it might already be legal anywhere where there is no law against it...i have no idea tho!
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04-25-2011 , 08:39 AM
I'm up for the Philly group too. Please PM me details.
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04-25-2011 , 08:46 AM
The demonstration ideas sound great. ‎Its been 10 days since Black Friday and I am still mad as h***.

I've been spreading the word about this thread and the website (http://goipp.********.com/blog.php) and the twitter account @goipp.

I already have followers and I haven't sent my first tweet (Tweet campaign starts today.)

To help Aura, who seems to be doing a thousand things, If you signed up for a group, can you PM your contact info to me (name/user idea, state you are working, email, phone # would be nice, but not absolutely necessary.) Please PM me or (i'll PM you (haha))

The goal is to have a master contact list. Thanks in advance. Lets have a good productive week.
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04-25-2011 , 08:55 AM
I also suggest that the local groups use Meetup as a means of advertising. It's a good way to get the attention of poker folks who don't frequent 2p2.
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04-25-2011 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by unrealzeal
but the thing is it won't be play money...we will be trading physical money back and forth after each hand...that is a clever way to show how silly the feds position on it is and how it goes against the wishes and jurisdiction of the states

so playing online poker for real money has to be legal...which i believe it is in DC? anywhere else?

thoughts?

edit: it might already be legal anywhere where there is no law against it...i have no idea tho!
About D.C. & online poker- the law that passed made it legal to play real money online poker... for one pre-approved client (which hasn't gone live yet) and only in certain wifi hotspots (like in hotels).

I think we'd be getting the point across and would definitely not be doing anything unlawful if we just played play money on PS or FTP. We could def talk more about it later... the passing money thing might work..... not sure. It's a good idea, though!

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04-25-2011 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by pokergrinder
The demonstration ideas sound great. ‎Its been 10 days since Black Friday and I am still mad as h***.

I've been spreading the word about this thread and the website (http://goipp.********.com/blog.php) and the twitter account @goipp.

I already have followers and I haven't sent my first tweet (Tweet campaign starts today.)

To help Aura, who seems to be doing a thousand things, If you signed up for a group, can you PM your contact info to me (name/user idea, state you are working, email, phone # would be nice, but not absolutely necessary.) Please PM me or (i'll PM you (haha))

The goal is to have a master contact list. Thanks in advance. Lets have a good productive week.
Thanks, pokergrinder.

I'd pm them instead of waiting for them to pm you... they might not see your post.

Gotta love your enthusiasm!

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Originally Posted by DrewOnTilt
I also suggest that the local groups use Meetup as a means of advertising. It's a good way to get the attention of poker folks who don't frequent 2p2.
Good idea! I've heard good things about Meetup. Could someone else from the D.C. group check it out for the group? I'll be in the weeds for a few days.



Great job, everyone!!!
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04-25-2011 , 11:42 AM
lurker no more - please PM me on either the philly or NJ group details.
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