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09-30-2013 , 06:47 PM
Dear ****** ****,

The purpose of this email is to confirm that you have successfully filed your Petition for Remission. If you have any questions please contact the Claims Administrator by calling toll free at (866) 250-2640 or emailing us at Info@FullTiltPokerClaims.com.

Please be advised that submission of your Petition for Remission does not guarantee that you are eligible to participate in the Full Tilt Poker remission process. All payments are subject to approval by the Asset Forfeiture and Money Laundering Section of the United States Department of Justice.

Thanks,
Full Tilt Poker Claims Administrator
09-30-2013 , 11:46 PM
The application wants my bank address for a transfer. Does this need to be a specific address? I have bank of america. There's a corporate address, a customer service address, or my local branch address.

Which am I supposed to use?
10-01-2013 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by nsmills83
The application wants my bank address for a transfer. Does this need to be a specific address? I have bank of america. There's a corporate address, a customer service address, or my local branch address.

Which am I supposed to use?
your local branch, but i think it doesn't really matter for a bigass bank like boa
10-01-2013 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
your local branch, but i think it doesn't really matter for a bigass bank like boa
Thanks, that's what I thought too, but can never be too safe when they might find any excuse on legal type documents
10-01-2013 , 10:59 AM
I received my petition # and control # and was filling out my info to file, but on the last page it asks if ive ever deposited on FullTilt, I havn't... My bankroll started in freerolls and I grinded up, I never had to deposit and I have almost $500 stuck on there.. So this means im not elgible to receive my bankroll? and what happens to my bankroll if not, who's pocket does that go in too? Thanks for any info...
10-01-2013 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LesPaulVa
I received my petition # and control # and was filling out my info to file, but on the last page it asks if ive ever deposited on FullTilt, I havn't... My bankroll started in freerolls and I grinded up, I never had to deposit and I have almost $500 stuck on there.. So this means im not elgible to receive my bankroll? and what happens to my bankroll if not, who's pocket does that go in too? Thanks for any info...
IMO, this means that your first deposit to your FTP account was from freeroll winnings. The statement doesn't say that you made a "cash or credit card" deposit. You can file a claim and they will let you know if you are ineligible after reviewing your petition. Or, you can wait a little bit to file and see if the GCG answers this question with new information. You have until Nov 16 to file.
10-02-2013 , 06:55 AM
Added to http://www.fulltiltpokerclaims.com/ yesterday:

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IMPORTANT UPDATE: October 1, 2013

We are pleased to report that the Remission Process is now well underway. All told, GCG has sent over 1.4 million email notifications to Full Tilt Poker (“FTP”) players, and in response GCG has already received over 23,500 Petitions through the online filing system.

The email notification process is now complete. If you did not receive an email and you believe you are in Full Tilt's database and should have been identified as a potentially eligible player, please contact us to provide your updated email address and we will provide you with your petition and control numbers if you have been assigned them. To the extent GCG has been provided with physical mailing addresses, we will be sending postcards to Petitioners whose emails were returned as undeliverable in the next few weeks.
10-02-2013 , 11:07 AM
I just received the second email containing my P&C numbers after I emailed them requesting them.

I use bank of america, so I have couple notes:
  • Any branch bank address is fine to use for the bank address. This is according to a BOA phone rep.
  • The routing number for electronic ACH can be found via online banking and it depends on your state. My was on "Account Page"->"Information & Services" Tab. This was NOT the same number on my checks.
10-02-2013 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
What is the AFMLS. Are they making the final decisions? I know they have answered a few questions regarding affiliates and hopefully people who "referred a friend" are not screwed out of their money. Would be insane. Also hope they figure out what to do with people without SSN's to file.
10-02-2013 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffg576
What is the AFMLS. Are they making the final decisions? I know they have answered a few questions regarding affiliates and hopefully people who "referred a friend" are not screwed out of their money. Would be insane. Also hope they figure out what to do with people without SSN's to file.
AFMLS: http://www.justice.gov/criminal/afmls/

They are the section of the DOJ in charge of remissions. And yes, they make the final decisions. In fact, they make all the decisions in regards to remissions. The GCG is just the hired administrator to execute the AFMLS instructions for the FTP remissions.

The unit of the AFMLS in charge of remissions is the Program Operations Unit:

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Program Operations Unit is responsible for all Remission, Restorations, Adoptions, Real Property transfers, large dollar sharing requests, Sharing program oversight/compliance and assistance in business enterprise/complex asset seizures and forfeitures. Program Operations is also responsible for incoming and outgoing funds control over seized and forfeited proceeds, Claims Administration in large victim pool cases and international asset recovery support to agents, prosecutors and the AFMLS International Unit.
10-02-2013 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NoSoulToRead
I just received the second email containing my P&C numbers after I emailed them requesting them.

I use bank of america, so I have couple notes:
  • Any branch bank address is fine to use for the bank address. This is according to a BOA phone rep.
  • The routing number for electronic ACH can be found via online banking and it depends on your state. My was on "Account Page"->"Information & Services" Tab. This was NOT the same number on my checks.
I've received echecks after giving them the routing number on my checks
10-02-2013 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by NoSoulToRead
The routing number for electronic ACH can be found via online banking and it depends on your state. My was on "Account Page"->"Information & Services" Tab. This was NOT the same number on my checks.
Are you sure? The number on deposit tickets is usually different, but by definition the routing number is on your check.
10-02-2013 , 10:04 PM
BOA lists 3 routing numbers for me. They are classified as paper, electronic and wire. Paper matches my checks, but electronic is what I'm going with.
10-03-2013 , 12:17 PM
I filed for an ITIN and I know this may or may not be needed and its being worked on but for the people looking how to input SSN without one the ITIN might not even get here before the remission claims deadline passes so hopefully GCG fixes site to allow for a N/A or something.
10-03-2013 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by NoSoulToRead
BOA lists 3 routing numbers for me. They are classified as paper, electronic and wire. Paper matches my checks, but electronic is what I'm going with.
I deal with routing numbers all the time* and this is the first I've heard of 3 different numbers for an account. But, a little research shows that in some states, some banks may have a different number for ACH than what is on their checks. So NoSoulToRead's advice stands - check with your bank for the proper routing.

Learn something new every day.


*As a corporate customer, not a bank.
10-03-2013 , 07:55 PM
what do i do if i withdrew 1000 before fulltilt got shut down, and have record of it, but now even though i never got it, it doesnt show up in my balance (balance is only 165), should be 1165. what should i do to prove it?
10-03-2013 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by brockwilson
what do i do if i withdrew 1000 before fulltilt got shut down, and have record of it, but now even though i never got it, it doesnt show up in my balance (balance is only 165), should be 1165. what should i do to prove it?
As discussed above, attach your transaction spreadsheet that can be downloaded from FTP, and bank statements from that time period showing relevant (and lack of) transactions. Basically show anything you have to prove you withdrew but never received the funds.
10-04-2013 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Kowalski
As discussed above, attach your transaction spreadsheet that can be downloaded from FTP, and bank statements from that time period showing relevant (and lack of) transactions. Basically show anything you have to prove you withdrew but never received the funds.
plus a written statement from you explaining why you are claiming the additional money
10-05-2013 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by brockwilson
what do i do if i withdrew 1000 before fulltilt got shut down, and have record of it, but now even though i never got it, it doesnt show up in my balance (balance is only 165), should be 1165. what should i do to prove it?
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Originally Posted by Kowalski
As discussed above, attach your transaction spreadsheet that can be downloaded from FTP, and bank statements from that time period showing relevant (and lack of) transactions. Basically show anything you have to prove you withdrew but never received the funds.
It would probably be most helpful to concentrate on how the deposit was supposed to come to you: if by electronic transfer, then a copy of your bank statement showing no transfer was received in the relevant time period (from the date you requested it to roughly 7/1/11) should be proof enough; if you requested a check, you may wish to expand the time frame of bank statements further.

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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
plus a written statement from you explaining why you are claiming the additional money
And this is essential. Neither DOJ or GCG will know what to make of the paperwork you send them unless you explain it in your petition. This would especially be true with respect to the unsent check situation. It is obviously impossible to show that no bank anywhere cashed a check from FTP to you, so you would need to affirmatively state that such was the case and as partial proof, show the records from the account you primarily deposited into and used at the time.

If you need more help, ask!

Skallagrim
10-05-2013 , 05:53 PM
I still haven't received an email (hotmail).

I have my account history sheet. Still use the original email associated to FT. Still live at the same address as I did on Black Friday. Never was an affiliate. Received rakeback from FT. Deposited on FT.

Is opening an gmail account and sending them an email through that still what I should do? Or, call them on Monday?

Thanks in advance.
10-05-2013 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Skallagrim
It would probably be most helpful to concentrate on how the deposit was supposed to come to you: if by electronic transfer, then a copy of your bank statement showing no transfer was received in the relevant time period (from the date you requested it to roughly 7/1/11) should be proof enough; if you requested a check, you may wish to expand the time frame of bank statements further.



And this is essential. Neither DOJ or GCG will know what to make of the paperwork you send them unless you explain it in your petition. This would especially be true with respect to the unsent check situation. It is obviously impossible to show that no bank anywhere cashed a check from FTP to you, so you would need to affirmatively state that such was the case and as partial proof, show the records from the account you primarily deposited into and used at the time.

If you need more help, ask!

Skallagrim
I understand why you stated the bolded, checks are usually honor for 6 months after they were issued. Considering that there are no reported successful deposits of checks starting on 4/15/11 and many reports of unsuccessful ones, how would one best convey that "fact"? I deposited a check from FT in March and will include that bank statement. The check I requested 11PM on 4/13 I never received, LDO. It would seem that those that withdrew on 4/15 or cases such as mine would not need much in the way of proof as there is no way we could actually receive the check and if by some miracle we did it would not be good. I understand that may be a big assumption to present to the DOJ. Again how is it best to present these ideas in a coherent and succinct way? That is, if this is useful info/perspective to present.
10-05-2013 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by waq
I understand why you stated the bolded, checks are usually honor for 6 months after they were issued. Considering that there are no reported successful deposits of checks starting on 4/15/11 and many reports of unsuccessful ones, how would one best convey that "fact"? I deposited a check from FT in March and will include that bank statement. The check I requested 11PM on 4/13 I never received, LDO. It would seem that those that withdrew on 4/15 or cases such as mine would not need much in the way of proof as there is no way we could actually receive the check and if by some miracle we did it would not be good. I understand that may be a big assumption to present to the DOJ. Again how is it best to present these ideas in a coherent and succinct way? That is, if this is useful info/perspective to present.
It is no known at this point what the DOJ will accept as sufficient documentation for limbo withdrawals. The more documentation you provide, probably the better. I'd do a few months of bank statements following both withdrawals, plus your personal written statement explaining what you are claiming and your FTP account spreadsheet, plus any related email correspondence with FTP. If the documents you provide are not sufficient, GCG will let you know. You'll have a chance to amend or appeal your petition.

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Originally Posted by Riverwood
I still haven't received an email (hotmail).

I have my account history sheet. Still use the original email associated to FT. Still live at the same address as I did on Black Friday. Never was an affiliate. Received rakeback from FT. Deposited on FT.

Is opening an gmail account and sending them an email through that still what I should do? Or, call them on Monday?

Thanks in advance.
Either way is good. I'd start with the phone call, and send an email if you don't get the P&C#s on the phone.
10-05-2013 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu


Either way is good. I'd start with the phone call, and send an email if you don't get the P&C#s on the phone.
Thank you.
10-06-2013 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
It is no known at this point what the DOJ will accept as sufficient documentation for limbo withdrawals. The more documentation you provide, probably the better. I'd do a few months of bank statements following both withdrawals, plus your personal written statement explaining what you are claiming and your FTP account spreadsheet, plus any related email correspondence with FTP. If the documents you provide are not sufficient, GCG will let you know. You'll have a chance to amend or appeal your petition.


Either way is good. I'd start with the phone call, and send an email if you don't get the P&C#s on the phone.
Where can I locate a phone number as I'm in the same situation. FT rake back and no email.

Last edited by raradevils; 10-06-2013 at 06:42 PM. Reason: thanks in advance
10-06-2013 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by waq
I understand why you stated the bolded, checks are usually honor for 6 months after they were issued. Considering that there are no reported successful deposits of checks starting on 4/15/11 and many reports of unsuccessful ones, how would one best convey that "fact"? I deposited a check from FT in March and will include that bank statement. The check I requested 11PM on 4/13 I never received, LDO. It would seem that those that withdrew on 4/15 or cases such as mine would not need much in the way of proof as there is no way we could actually receive the check and if by some miracle we did it would not be good. I understand that may be a big assumption to present to the DOJ. Again how is it best to present these ideas in a coherent and succinct way? That is, if this is useful info/perspective to present.
I think it best not to try an overly complicate the situation; the DOJ will understand that it is impossible to completely prove a negative, so your real job is to just try and do your best to show why in your situation it is more likely that you are telling the truth rather than making things up. The DOJ is also aware (this has been discussed openly between the PPA and the DOJ) that a large number of players did not get the benefit of those late transactions.

You do a good job of outlining your situation in your email, and your posts are well written in general. You really do not need to say much more, though I am sure there are few more personal details you may want to include. After explaining things in a few short paragraphs then explain that you are providing what documentation you can: emphasize first substantiating the date and time of the withdrawal; then showing that the last check you received from FTP you put in "x" account; then that this was your only account/the only account you used for poker/whatever; then how you are showing the deposit sections of the next series of months that show no FTP check being deposited. You may have other details you want to include. For those really concerned about getting all details presented as well as possible, and/or (especially) those who have a lot of disputed money at stake, it may well be worth the cost to hire an attorney to help draft the petition and to speak for you to GCG or the DOJ throughout the process.

The PPA as an organization is currently working on trying to get the DOJ to clarify certain general points. We hope to get some guidance on very common questions like yours about documenting undelivered checks. Unfortunately it cannot be guaranteed that the PPA will get good and clear answers to most questions, nor that those answers will come with sufficient time to benefit from them. But I am hopeful it will, the DOJ seems to want to make this work easier and quicker for all - but it is also clear that that is not priority number one for them. Priority number one, to the DOJ, is to make sure this process follows all rules, regulations, and orders, and produces reliable results that actually benefits "victims."

So if you have enough at stake disputed in this process, personal professional advice from an attorney truly familiar with the process of remission and familiar with or willing to learn the specifics of the FTP case is strongly suggested.

Skallagrim

Last edited by Skallagrim; 10-06-2013 at 08:50 PM.

      
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