unban

That's not what Soah said at all. I basically agree with his point, but it's not one that's terribly relevant in this conversation. Again, if you disagree with the rules, address that issue in this forum, PM Mat and Ryan to get that rule changed. The rule being bad does not excuse breaking it in this context. You simply can't deny that limon should have been aware of the consequences of his behavior.

(and just FWIW- the rules in B&M have been discussed at great length more than a few times and nobody in red has never felt moved to ask that they be changed, so it's likely best to assume that despite whatever you may feel, they are not considered as over the top as most to by 2p2 admins).

It's extremely relevant for this conversation. If the penalty for speeding was death and I got pulled over for speeding, I wouldn't be like, "oh, I knew that beforehand, seems ok," I would be more like "WTF is this ****". So yeah he may have been aware of the potential consequences for calling someone a bitch, but that doesn't change the underlying problem.

I would bet my entire net worth that if you compared total infraction points across forums and adjusted for traffic, B&M would be at least 2 standard deviations above the mean.

you know you're a ****ty mod when other mods won't even circle the wagon for you

+1

there ought to be a pretty damn broad consensus before someone of limon's tenure and contributions is perma-banned. it can't possibly be a unilateral decision by one overreacting mod.

I think your example makes my point pretty well. You knew the penalty for death was speeding, and you'd really make the decision to speed? Of course you wouldn't.

Your second point is likely correct. Still not relevant.

rules are put in place for seemingly good reasons with the aim to maintain a certain level of civility in the 2+2 forums. it is left up to the mod or mods in a specific sub-forum of 2+2 to decide whether a poster has violated the rules and is deserving of punishment.

there are "the rules" in black and white, and there is "the spirit of the rules". there should be some level of interpretation left open for mods / admins to assign infraction points, bans, or other punishments based on their interpretation of the rules.

nobody itt seems to really know (or is willing to post) the extent of limon's violations of the rules ("calling someone a bitch" on the internet hardly seems worthy of an infraction much less a ban), but perma-banning a long time respected poster for name calling that was most likely in a joking manner is ridiculous.

this is obviously a privately-owned website, and as such it would seem in the owner's best interests to provide a place for discussions that adhere to a set of rules (and/or interpretations of the rules) to which the community of posters is agreeable.

when high quality posters (several itt) have said that they avoid the B&M forum due to the modding standards there, maybe it is time for a change.

The fact that you would be stupid to speed obviously doesn't mean that the death penalty would be reasonable under such circumstances.

Oh super power reds sitting in the Holy Temple of Henderson, Nevada.
This disciple beseeches you - please to be unbanning Limon.




Its true only begging and prayers can change this.

Ok so who's more at fault in the scenario, the speeder or the executioner?

Sure. I'm not trying to argue for the moderation of B&M being reasonable. It is however, transparent and consistent.

I mean for example compare all the chances Limon (good poster) was given with how many chances Supafrey (bad poster) was given.

SO absurd.

I need to answer a question with a question..but how many warnings is enough...how many times should a user break rules and be allowed to blatantly continue his actions...

I personally hate our profanity filter...but we all need to play with in it. Further more when you play in someone else sandbox I do taking a big **** in it cause I think I should be able too..

On the surface he's banned for calling someone a bitch ...but that's just the straw that broke the broccoli rapes back

Do you really not see how it's the speeder? I mean you made the example? In your hypothetical, there's a law, it's a real law, like the government made the law and it isn't just some guy with a shotgun picking off people that drive to fast by his house- right? You just live in a twisted society with draconian punishments for speeding. You knew that these were the rules and what the consequences of your actions would be?

If you choose to speed in that environment (and choose to live in this environment) and are subsequently executed, yes, you as the speeder are the person who is responsible for your death imo.

His interpretation of what I posted was reasonable.

Sigh.

I can't believe you actually think that.

Supa wasn't given as many as you think..also its a different forum..not every mod is the same.

lol Dids, you love rules and the enforcement of them like noone I've ever seen. Russ Fox must give you butterflies

Yeah, but if the modding is unreasonable, then it would seem fair to commute the permaban. The fact that it is transparent and consistent is pretty irrelevant.

Do I think someone who constantly and dilberatly disobeys authority no matter how many times told not to gets what he deserves ..I sure as **** do...

Yeah - but there usually is a balance.

I am not saying I think it was unreasonable to perma-ban him.

I think exceptions can and should be made.
Close to 10 years on the site.
One of the more popular contributors - sitewide.
Furthermore, a contributor who does help or give good advice - who has seen the whole wave of the poker boom.

I think Abe is like a crazy uncle. You put up with some of his drunken holiday rants cause he offers really solid advice most of the other times he is off the sauce.

So leave aside the rights and wrongs of the ban....unban please.

How's is this fair to the posters of the same caliber that operate inside the rules. No mod ever bans a high profile poster with out discussion first ... I know rapini had convo with Ryan and bobo about it its up to them if they wish to divulge it..
He was given lots of slack just looking at what I can see...I question really why he felt a need to continue to basically antagonize a mod

Free Him. Jesus.

its extremely relevant. if its a "letter of the law" type ban where everyone else gets away with breaking the same rule then it isnt much of a rule and there is a good argument. however if you know for a fact that xxx is going to happen if you do yyy, and feel it is unfair, then the proper course of action is not to willingly do yyy anyway and then cry foul when xxx happens

Jesus can't help him now...