when someone gets infraction points, and then those points EXPIRE, it seems extremely logical to me that they would consider those to NO LONGER EXIST. now all of a sudden, he merely uses the word bitch and he gets 80 points and perm-banned??? how can anyone suggest the "rules were made clear to him"?

It's not "whim" really. B&M has plenty of stickies and what not that make it clear what goes and he ignored those. If somebody refuses to play be the rules, despite MULTIPLE warnings, it shouldn't matter how good of a poster they are.

limon is smart, he saw his infraction points, he choose to continue to behave in a fashion that got him those points. This is on him 100%

Mike,

Are you really trying to argue that a clearly pretty smart guy shouldn't be expected have learned a lesson from his previous infractions? The points expire so they don't count towards his total, but it doesn't mean the knowledge that he's been a bad actor should.

If I'm reading the action correctly, he had 20 infraction points left (unless Rapini was just in overkill mode which would be worth discussing as a separate topic) as the rest of his infractions had expired. I don't think anyone could reasonably expect to get 80 infraction points for calling someone a dick.

It is not mutually exclusive for the rules of a forum to be clearly defined and for them (and the enforcement of them) to be draconian and ridiculous.

Limon is the best poster on poker not just on 2+2 but on the whole damn internet SO UNBAN HIM NOW!

yes, he saw that he had 60 points at the time. give him points that never expire (that IS an option, you know); that would be making the rules clear--ambushing him with an 80-point infraction is not.

I don't know anything about Limon's posting or history, just here to LOL at "perma" bans.

To be clear he had 60 points - all from the last week - with the most recent one being for 80 points, taking the grand total to 140 (!).

this.

Un ban, plz

Who said anything about free speech? What excuses?! My question to you is simply whether you think a forum is made better by a bunch of slapdicks who know how to be polite all the time on their keyboards and mods who think members need to 'learn lessons' (lol) or ... someone w/ a POV who might piss some people off while inspiring others? This is a total joke.

can we just remove the profanity filter already

Interesting. Giving 80 points when only 20 tops was justified and 40 would have been a permaban. I don't post in B&M, but that kind of overemotional decision-making explains a lot.

I modded bbv and bbv4l at the same time for a while with probably 100x the traffic of b&m. People there were constantly pushing the boundaries but I think the only regular good strategy poster I ever banned was yvesaint. He painted me into a corner, but I still regret it. He was an awesome poster and I think the site is worse off without him, regardless of his antics. He was about 1/10000 the strat poster of limon.

Anyways, permabans should be taken very seriously and long-term posters, especially strat posters, should be given a broader leash. Is this fair? No, but they are your most loyal customers and bring people to the site and provide content. Without them this site has no competitive advantage and is just another online poker website.

People start visiting 2p2 right now for two reasons: updates on the poker scandals and the namebrand in poker strategy. They stay for the relationships and eventually move over to the offtopic and other forums. You kill off the bigger strat posters (and there are VERY few left willing to impart wisdom above $1/2NL) and you are killing a main driver of traffic to the site and the heart of 2p2. Yes, it is a two-tier system. But guys who have been loyal to the twoplustwo brand for a decade and have provided it with a lifetime of content should not be treated the same as a spammer regardless of expired infractions. The infractions are consistent guidelines and should be treated as such, not as the Ten Commandments. Common sense should over-rule it and this is a no-brainer.

Find a way to unban limon and punish him at the same time. Maybe put a humiliating signature in every one of his posts for a while. Something as long as you let him back on. Site is worse without him.

On a sidenote, I am not saying that limon should be unpunished because he's better than everyone but that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Whether you want to admit it or not, the crime is and should always be relative to the value of the poster . For the big guns, a pm exchange is often enough but when it isn't, a day or two tempban is quite effective if infractions are not doing the trick and gives someone just enough time to cool off.

Un-ban Limon & get rid of Rapini!

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Unban Limon
Ban Rapini
Maybe we go to a different forum.

free limon

maybe greatest all around poster ever on 2p2

So basically it was one for 20, one for 40, and then one for 80, which seems to fit with how Rapini uses points in his forum. The 80 seems extreme, but it only had to be 40 to actually push him into a ban.

We've talked a lot about how B&M is modding and I can't say I'm really a fan, and some of that does seem extreme. However, the rules are made pretty clear, and it doesn't change the fact that he had 60 points and an understanding of how Rapini was operating and still choose to continue posting how he was.

We're all grownups here, and the proper response to rules you don't like is not continuing to break them and then complaining (although it seems to be unclear if he's actually complaining at all) about the result.

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The Stanford prison experiment would have made this Rapini guy rock hard.

I think everyone gets the fact that, according to the rules of B&M, one can argue that there is a case for a ban, and that people should know better. On the other hand, every time this sort of thing happens, it seems to be Rapini banning people for stuff that would probably go unnoticed or, at worst, get a slap on the wrist in pretty much any other forum on the site. Being a valued poster for 9 years, and then accumulating 100 points in a week for (apparently) nothing worse than calling someone a bitch seems disproportionate to me.

dids,

the "the rules were widely known" argument is ****ing terrible, as soah said.

Tilted infraction point spewing

One mod shouldn't have the ability to make a permanent decision against such a long-term poster regardless of history or past infractions.

Un-ban Limon.