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08-15-2017 , 12:07 AM
Chez, I really don't know what the hell you were thinking. There is absolutely no reason that post should have been up there 12+ hours later for AllCows to screenshot, especially with the poster in question refusing to change their behavior and continuing to post. You really put Mat in a horrible situation if he was inclined to defend your forum.
08-15-2017 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Yeah so anyways, I really like science. It's pretty great. I have a hypothesis. I hypothesize that something will actually start to be done now, either good or bad. I wonder how Upswing Poker and America's Cardroom will respond to this image?


Is this really that bad? Guess it is, under the circumstances with the caused death and the history. But otherwise...God Bless America.

Without taking that into consideration, it looks like an ordinary tendentious tinfoil ****post.
08-15-2017 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
Is this really that bad? Guess it is, under the circumstances with the caused death and the history. But otherwise...God Bless America.
Yes.

It's conspiracy nonesense, supports nazis and is naked partisanship.
08-15-2017 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
i can't read this now, but if there are some good ideas, please bring it up later. preferably as a new thread.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...rules-1683823/
08-15-2017 , 12:22 AM
Its a far right talking point saying the far left is propped up by rich Jewish people controlling the world. Whether he meant it that way idk.
08-15-2017 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Chez, I really don't know what the hell you were thinking. There is absolutely no reason that post should have been up there 12+ hours later for AllCows to screenshot, especially with the poster in question refusing to change their behavior and continuing to post. You really put Mat in a horrible situation if he was inclined to defend your forum.
The post had been modded and there's a reason we try not to delete posts.

I get it wrong sometimes - maybe it's clearer from the outside - but I'm not asking or expecting Mat to defend the forum. If he thinks it's time to close it then fair enough.

I'm very sorry if he was put in an awkward position.
08-15-2017 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I'm very sorry if he was put in an awkward position.
It's not your fault man. It's not your fault.

The idea was fundamentally flawed from the off. No matter who was running the place, if you invite the worst of humanity to come spew bile and invective then the results will always be the same.

These people have Reddit if they want to ****post about how the Jews something something Zion or whatever. They can plan their murderous riots elsewhere. They can recruit hateful bigots elsewhere.

It's a fine day in America when people are waking up to our reality and saying, "No, we cannot accept this any longer."
08-15-2017 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Chez, I really don't know what the hell you were thinking. There is absolutely no reason that post should have been up there 12+ hours later for AllCows to screenshot, especially with the poster in question refusing to change their behavior and continuing to post. You really put Mat in a horrible situation if he was inclined to defend your forum.


The post didn't go unanswered.

Why are we ALL to be punished for that post and for ATC's zealousness?
08-15-2017 , 12:49 AM
Mongi and his band of merry deplorables didn't let up a bit with their ****posting. You keep saying that post was answered reflects very poorly on the mods. Their way of addressing it didn't address the problem at all.

Nobody is being punished, there is a forum to discuss politics if you can follow basic rules against ****posting.
08-15-2017 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Mongi and his band of merry deplorables didn't let up a bit with their ****posting. You keep saying that post was answered reflects very poorly on the mods. Their way of addressing it didn't address the problem at all.

Nobody is being punished, there is a forum to discuss politics if you can follow basic rules against ****posting.
I faced them myself. I don't need any change to happen because some posters suck.


I got exiled from other P for supporting Mel Brooks films and laughing at a critic. Why should trust those *******s? Never got any sign of goodwill intentions or good judgement from them since.
08-15-2017 , 01:10 AM
Some more gems from P7 today


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Originally Posted by mongidig
That's what it looked like to me. Notice how there was a group of people chasing after the car before it plowed into the crowd. They all had bats. I think it's possible these people were attacking the driver at which point he lost it and did what he did. If this was premeditated I think there would have been far more people injured.

Liberal disclaimer...Mongidig highly condemns the actions of the car driver. He also codemns with the strongest meaning of the word any hate groups that committ acts of violence. Any misunderstanding of the words expressed by Mongidig are soley due to the close minded ignorance of less than bright people.

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Originally Posted by wil318466
As the car was driving down the street people were hitting it with bats. It is unclear what exactly was happening in the video.

It is possible that the driver in the car was driving down the street, felt as if he was going to get attacked, and stepped on the gas. For example, this happened in New York, when a driver felt threatened. He wound up being cleared of charges:

Scroll to 4:56

The situations are different, however. There is no way to tell how the different drivers actually felt.



Here is the video from behind. Notice the car and the speed it is going down the street. It does not seem, to me, that he's planning on running anyone over at that speed.

Pay VERY close attention at the 3 second mark. You clearly see someone on the left of the car swing something at the car and hear it hit the vehicle. Listen closely, you can hear the engine rev at the 4 second mark like the driver suddenly steps on the gas.

What does this actually mean? It means it's POSSIBLE that the driver was trying to get down the street, he felt like he was under attack, and then slammed on the gas out of fear, like the first video I linked to with the bikers.

The issue we have here is the guy in Virginia was a white supremacist. That puts a lot of doubt in my mind. What does make me pause is the biker video makes me side with the driver, yet in the virginia video I side against the driver. I can't explain exactly why.

Edit : For best results, full screen the video and put ear phones on. There is a noise as soon as the video starts, it is unclear what happened, it sounds like the car jumped a curb (even though it doesn't appear that's what happened). You can clearly see the car slow down at the 2 second mark, then hear the engine rev, and the car speed up. It's hard to see and hear, you need to turn up the volume and play it a few times.

Edit Edit : It now seems after watching it 30 times or so that the car revved his engine BEFORE the person attacked his car. The person may have been hitting his car to try to get him to slow down.

I wish I could slow it down somehow. I've changed my mind now 5 times. I can't tell what happened first.
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Isn't it amazing how everyone jumps to conclusions before all the facts are made public.

Maybe the guy was scared for his life.

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Originally Posted by mongidig
After the car passes you see several people trailing the car. It's possible the driver was involved in a skirmish with protesters. You can here a lady yelling at the car. It seems at first she was angry he got away and then later realized the scope of the situation. I did here a noise but it happened yo quickly to tell what it is.

Liberal disclaimer...Mongidig highly condemns the actions of the car driver. He also codemns with the strongest meaning of the word any hate groups that committ acts of violence. Any misunderstanding of the words expressed by Mongidig are soley due to the close minded ignorance of less than bright people.

Last edited by AllCowsEatGrass; 08-15-2017 at 01:15 AM.
08-15-2017 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Why are we ALL to be punished for that post and for ATC's zealousness?
I assume ATC is ACEG? Whomever you meant, I have no idea how you can put the forum potentially closing down to one post and one poster.
08-15-2017 , 01:19 AM
lol wow

Last edited by goofyballer; 08-15-2017 at 01:19 AM. Reason: @ the P7 quotes above of the derplorables defending the murderer Nazi driver
08-15-2017 , 01:23 AM
P7 in a nutshell:


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Originally Posted by Max Cut
A well-intentioned woman made her way to Charlottsville (NC, USA) to protest the evil that is Nazi/KKK/WS. A Nazi fanatic mowed down her and dozens of other defenseless pedestrians in his car. She died from the injuries.

Within hours, in an effort to shift blame from a Nazi fanatic (and/or to despicably troll the situation), JiggyMac posted that she was so dumb to be there that she might qualify for a Darwin Award.

After a 1-day ban*, he's now back to continue his long history of trolling.

Last edited by AllCowsEatGrass; 08-15-2017 at 01:23 AM. Reason: *timeout
08-15-2017 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I assume ATC is ACEG? Whomever you meant, I have no idea how you can put the forum potentially closing down to one post and one poster.


Yeah. All Cows. Sorry if it came off that way. Just seemed like by what he posted that Mat was persuaded by her posts and that earlier example.

Heck, she is there posting tonight and fly was a semi-regular. Goofy baller used to be in there all the time too, until recently. Just seems odd suddenly the **** we are all aware of became not good enough.
08-15-2017 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Iron Tamer
yeah can we stop saying antifa is just as bad as neo nazi's

antifa are far worse

Anti-Facsism is way worse than Fascism.
08-15-2017 , 01:39 AM
OK, I just got caught up on the happenings of the day in just the Trump thread.

Mat, please delete the forum. Politics Unchained was not a place where white supremacy was defended, it was largely just endless discussion on ACism, and people doing quite benevolent name calling. It was nothing like it is now, please just delete it. I don't even remember what your second option was, and you haven't offered any sort of explanation as to why simply perma banning the problem members isn't an option, either for the current mods, or via modding me and I immediately perma ban them as a first act, so just delete the forum.

But don't think that's going to solve the problem of bigotry and defense of white supremacy on twoplustwo, because those users are going to post in other forums. Maybe even the forum modded by augie_.
08-15-2017 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
The post had been modded and there's a reason we try not to delete posts.

I get it wrong sometimes - maybe it's clearer from the outside - but I'm not asking or expecting Mat to defend the forum. If he thinks it's time to close it then fair enough.

I'm very sorry if he was put in an awkward position.

Holy ****, why?

If a rule offending post is made, and then it is "moderated", whatever the hell that means, but is allowed to remain, don't you think more people might report it, and you'll have to "moderate" it again? Like, maybe it's a good idea to delete posts that violate rules?
08-15-2017 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
OK, I just got caught up on the happenings of the day in just the Trump thread.

Mat, please delete the forum. Politics Unchained was not a place where white supremacy was defended, it was largely just endless discussion on ACism, and people doing quite benevolent name calling. It was nothing like it is now, please just delete it. I don't even remember what your second option was, and you haven't offered any sort of explanation as to why simply perma banning the problem members isn't an option, either for the current mods, or via modding me and I immediately perma ban them as a first act, so just delete the forum.

But don't think that's going to solve the problem of bigotry and defense of white supremacy on twoplustwo, because those users are going to post in other forums. Maybe even the forum modded by augie_.

if we make you moderator of the studio, and therefore that forum stays open, would you agree to never post about politics on this site? i would need agreement from others to make this happen, but first i need to know you like the idea.
08-15-2017 , 01:55 AM
No.

Please delete P7.
08-15-2017 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Holy ****, why?

If a rule offending post is made, and then it is "moderated", whatever the hell that means, but is allowed to remain, don't you think more people might report it, and you'll have to "moderate" it again? Like, maybe it's a good idea to delete posts that violate rules?
The argument is that by deleting it you allow someone to gaslight and deny they made it.
08-15-2017 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
Anti-Facsism is way worse than Fascism.
lol why did you quote me here, I understand you think you are right but to me your support of this terrorist group is disgusting. I don't go around trying to shut you down and calling you names tho
08-15-2017 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by AllCowsEatGrass
No.

Please delete P7.
LOL at shutting down P7 just because this poster and a few other left-wing posters don't agree with what's being posted there.

Why not ban all conservative posters and have done with it. That's effectively what you are doing by shutting down P7. Conservatives are not welcome in the main forum.

Last edited by BroadwaySushy; 08-15-2017 at 03:01 AM.
08-15-2017 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Conservatives are not welcome in the main forum.
Sure they are:

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Originally Posted by BOIDS
there's a world of dif between ppl such as inso, adios, avwal, domer etc putting forward noxious (imo) pro-drumpf lines of argument as they do in regular politiards, and one of your p7 boys posting 'that jew is funding actors to pose as nazis at these rallys in order to incite violence'
You aren't welcome because you're a dumb, zero-content troll.

For a citation on the "dumb" part:

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
LOL at shutting down P7 just because this poster doesn't agree with what's being posted there.
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I assume ATC is ACEG? Whomever you meant, I have no idea how you can put the forum potentially closing down to one post and one poster.
Exactly.
LOL you just +1'd a post that said the opposite of what you just claimed

Last edited by goofyballer; 08-15-2017 at 03:04 AM. Reason: awwwww he figured out his dumb mistake and rewrote/deleted everything LOL
08-15-2017 , 03:23 AM
Jesus goofy, you don't even give me a chance to edit my posts.

Nothing changes. Still stalking me huh.

Last edited by BroadwaySushy; 08-15-2017 at 03:36 AM.

      
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