Personal Attacks in Political Forums by Poobahs Mr Wookie, 5ive, goofybalef AoFrantic etc
07-12-2017
, 07:27 PM
You know, we can do a smaller font here. The admins can go all HTML on the SN & under-title (ex: goofyballer). Right now, FlyWf is temp-banned. So what did I do when I read your post? Yep... I looked up one of his posts, to see if some admin had reduced the font size on his SN.
WP sir !!!1!
Now, I either know you're kidding around, or I'm running up against Poe's Law (IIRC the name). And I know you're kidding. Anyways, this is the second time it's come up. So, if you don't mind me ruining your fun... to be serious, you do understand that comparing Toothsayer -vs- FlyWf is absurd, correct?
Festivus itself is a tv show holiday. Alta Politardia has had an off-and-on tradition of Festivus threads dedicated to gratuitous name calling.
WP sir !!!1!Now, I either know you're kidding around, or I'm running up against Poe's Law (IIRC the name). And I know you're kidding. Anyways, this is the second time it's come up. So, if you don't mind me ruining your fun... to be serious, you do understand that comparing Toothsayer -vs- FlyWf is absurd, correct?
Last edited by Shame Trolly !!!1!; 07-12-2017 at 07:33 PM.
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07-13-2017
, 09:06 AM
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Loaded question.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
So troll A is like this
This is a largely loaded question
Care to answer?
No not really.
Okay here goes.
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You can't answer it. Can you? Just what I thought. Typical snowflake, yadada. You jusr can't handle that I am an expert, yadada.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
So troll A is like this
This is a largely loaded question
Care to answer?
No not really.
Okay here goes.
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You can't answer it. Can you? Just what I thought. Typical snowflake, yadada. You jusr can't handle that I am an expert, yadada.
It would be a loaded question if it were in such a form:
Since ACland would be rape town, what's the best way to minimize abortions?
Or something like that. Asking how ACland would prevent rape town is not a loaded question.
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I can oblige you without too much difficulty.
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His whole post is littered with strawman's, ad hominems, broad brush attacks, and falsehoods. His whole schtick is to derail until there's no conversation left.
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(A reply to the mod known affectionately as "wookums")
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LMFAO@ this fool quoting Proudhon. ZOMG ACers are the worst. Speaking of ACism, as the 2+2 resident expert, I was presenting a series of lessons on ACism, back a while ago. Here is Lesson #8, which I've had "in the can"...
Good morning ACers & 'statist's, and welcome back to Rape Town University,
It's Friday, and it was supposed to be ACers choice today. However, all the ACers have gone missing except for Proph, and he declined to choose a topic. So... welcome to Lesson #8: Crime and Punishment.
OK, we've covered where the laws come from. There's the ACland constitution. Below that there's case law from the court system. However the vast majority of the laws peeps will be forced to follow will be written as Administrative Law by large scale landlords. Note: Small scale landowners, for example individual home owners, would probably just use the default trespassing law in the constitution instead.
OK, how are laws enforced? Well, we've already discussed the DROs. They are the equivalent of a Marshal's service, acting only on court orders, and using fundamentally offensive violence, such as evictions. The number of goons employed doing DRO work will be dwarfed by several orders of magnitude by ordinary Security goons. Security goons do fundamentally defensive violence: loss prevention, site security, and frontline rules enforcement on their landlord's property. Landlords can assemble their own Security goon army, or outsource to ADT. Likewise ADT might sell both DRO goon services (with proper court order), and also Security goon services (no stinking courts needed).
OK, so how would this all work? Let's say your landlord had a law against smoking pot. You're out front of your home, smoking a J, and the Landlord Police roll on you. It's your first alleged offense, so the goons just issues you a summons to Landlord Court. Let's say you are ultimately convicted. What's your punishment?
Here ACland starts to get a little weirder.
Over in RealityLand we have the distinction between criminal and civil court. In modern civil court, you can ask for basically three remedies: legal tender $$$$, ordering somebody to stop doing something (like stop parking in the wrong places), or ordering someone to do something (like a slumlord fixing the plumbing). However, just because you ask, and you win in court, doesn't mean the judge will give you all you asked for. That's up to the judge.
Over in ACland, we ain't got no legal tender. However, you can ask for a whole lot of other remedies: gear, gold, beatings, torture, maimings, rape, death, and enslavement, along with ordering somebody to do something, and ordering somebody not to do something. However, just because you ask, and you win in court, doesn't mean the judge will give you all you asked for. That's up to the judge.
So right away, I know the 'statist's are going to have a whole lotta questions: Like could a Landlord make a law which punishes pot smoking by death? Could the landlord just change the law on me? Could he just sneak in the death penalty into the fine print? How about travelling about, when I crossed onto another landlords property, could he have snuck a death penalty into his laws?
The answer to all these questions is "no". Why? Because of common law, and the ACland constitution. Common law implies rule-of-law, and rule-of-law requires those subject to law to have a way to discover what that law is. So landlords would have to give constructive notice to the renters. So, no sneaking laws into fine print, or changing them without notice. For extreme penalties, like death, the renters would need to initial a contract explicitly. A renter who innocently crossed into another landlord's property and violated a non-obvious law would need to be given a warning, or nominal penalty at first, etc.
OK, but what if a renter explicitly signed the death contract, but then forgot, and got convicted of smoking a J anyways. Can the landlord have him killed? Once again, the answer is "no". That's because enshrined in the ACland constitution is both the nature of, and a limit to, punishments under AC law: Double Proportional Reciprocity. A death penalty for smoking a J isn't proportional, and any such law would be ruled unconstitutional.
Good morning ACers & 'statist's, and welcome back to Rape Town University,
It's Friday, and it was supposed to be ACers choice today. However, all the ACers have gone missing except for Proph, and he declined to choose a topic. So... welcome to Lesson #8: Crime and Punishment.
OK, we've covered where the laws come from. There's the ACland constitution. Below that there's case law from the court system. However the vast majority of the laws peeps will be forced to follow will be written as Administrative Law by large scale landlords. Note: Small scale landowners, for example individual home owners, would probably just use the default trespassing law in the constitution instead.
OK, how are laws enforced? Well, we've already discussed the DROs. They are the equivalent of a Marshal's service, acting only on court orders, and using fundamentally offensive violence, such as evictions. The number of goons employed doing DRO work will be dwarfed by several orders of magnitude by ordinary Security goons. Security goons do fundamentally defensive violence: loss prevention, site security, and frontline rules enforcement on their landlord's property. Landlords can assemble their own Security goon army, or outsource to ADT. Likewise ADT might sell both DRO goon services (with proper court order), and also Security goon services (no stinking courts needed).
OK, so how would this all work? Let's say your landlord had a law against smoking pot. You're out front of your home, smoking a J, and the Landlord Police roll on you. It's your first alleged offense, so the goons just issues you a summons to Landlord Court. Let's say you are ultimately convicted. What's your punishment?
Here ACland starts to get a little weirder.
Over in RealityLand we have the distinction between criminal and civil court. In modern civil court, you can ask for basically three remedies: legal tender $$$$, ordering somebody to stop doing something (like stop parking in the wrong places), or ordering someone to do something (like a slumlord fixing the plumbing). However, just because you ask, and you win in court, doesn't mean the judge will give you all you asked for. That's up to the judge.
Over in ACland, we ain't got no legal tender. However, you can ask for a whole lot of other remedies: gear, gold, beatings, torture, maimings, rape, death, and enslavement, along with ordering somebody to do something, and ordering somebody not to do something. However, just because you ask, and you win in court, doesn't mean the judge will give you all you asked for. That's up to the judge.
So right away, I know the 'statist's are going to have a whole lotta questions: Like could a Landlord make a law which punishes pot smoking by death? Could the landlord just change the law on me? Could he just sneak in the death penalty into the fine print? How about travelling about, when I crossed onto another landlords property, could he have snuck a death penalty into his laws?
The answer to all these questions is "no". Why? Because of common law, and the ACland constitution. Common law implies rule-of-law, and rule-of-law requires those subject to law to have a way to discover what that law is. So landlords would have to give constructive notice to the renters. So, no sneaking laws into fine print, or changing them without notice. For extreme penalties, like death, the renters would need to initial a contract explicitly. A renter who innocently crossed into another landlord's property and violated a non-obvious law would need to be given a warning, or nominal penalty at first, etc.
OK, but what if a renter explicitly signed the death contract, but then forgot, and got convicted of smoking a J anyways. Can the landlord have him killed? Once again, the answer is "no". That's because enshrined in the ACland constitution is both the nature of, and a limit to, punishments under AC law: Double Proportional Reciprocity. A death penalty for smoking a J isn't proportional, and any such law would be ruled unconstitutional.
- OK, let's do some examples: Get caught steeling $10, you owe the victim $20. Knock a dude's tooth out, he gets to pull two of yours out. Rape someone, they can have you raped twice. Falsely enslave someone, you can be made their slave for twice as long. Beat someone, they can have you beaten twice as long/hard. Torture someone, ditto.
- But it's not always double... poke someone's eye out, it'd wouldn't be proportional to blind you completely, maybe just take an eye and an ear. Put someone in a wheelchair, well they can't put you in the chair twice, but they could cut a hand off, and then put you in the chair, etc. Also, a landlord would need to be able to escalate punishments over 2x for repeat offenders... to avoid the situation where the initial penalty isn't severe enough to stop the misbehavior. Like... on your third conviction for smoking a J, then maybe you get enslaved for a year or two.
- OK, let's take a more indepth example: Proph is out drunk driving, causes an accident, and Kerowo loses a finger. Which two of Proph's fingers does Kerowo get?
Spoiler:
His whole post is littered with strawman's, ad hominems, broad brush attacks, and falsehoods. His whole schtick is to derail until there's no conversation left.
07-13-2017
, 10:31 AM
07-13-2017
, 10:49 AM
Yes, I already said you weren't posting back then. Yes, I'm well aware of when you started your obsession.
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... Do you want me to quote itt where I already quoted you?
I'm not really interested in you quoting me because I wrote those posts myself, and none of my posts have been deleted. ETA: OK now that I've seen what you've posted, all I gotta say is... WTF is wrong with you?
Yeah, I stipulate to the timeline. I guess. I didn't think it was possible, but I had zero idea what you're getting on about before this timeline shiz... and now I have less than zero.
This is what interests me...
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?I might as well get good old Leonardo warmed up, because right about now is when they start deflecting to the "oh yeah, under 'statistism' bad things happen, whadda 'bout that shiz cuz" shiz.
Last edited by Shame Trolly !!!1!; 07-13-2017 at 11:08 AM.
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