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Personal Attacks in Political Forums by Poobahs Mr Wookie, 5ive, goofybalef AoFrantic etc Personal Attacks in Political Forums by Poobahs Mr Wookie, 5ive, goofybalef AoFrantic etc

07-12-2017 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
It is a loaded question.
OK, if I grant you that it is, then I am so sorry you are facing such a terrible thing. Are they against the rules?
07-12-2017 , 01:11 PM
That you can't answer.
07-12-2017 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Are they against the rules?
I don't think so. I am merely stating why I don't care to answer. ST is trolling though.
07-12-2017 , 01:18 PM
LOL
07-12-2017 , 01:22 PM
And to repeat, all I'd like is a ___-___ ______.
07-12-2017 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
And to repeat, all I'd like is a ___-___ ______.
Yeah, we get it. You have not been able to show you don't have one.
07-12-2017 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
No, you're citing a convenient "anonymous source" on reddit to erect a strawman.
No, just no. I made about a dozen AC101 posts where I was teaching a class, so to speak, explaining what ACism is all about. That was just a meme I picked off the interwebs, which I used to decorate the top of my posts. I've never made any 'argument' about rape-town, one way or another, in any of those AC101 posts. In fact, I've never even mentioned rape-town, or that meme, or anything close to this shiz in any of those posts.

Who am I 'strawmanning'? Not you... you weren't even posting here then. In fact, I wasn't making any 'arguments' at all. I was teaching a class, I was trying to explain this shiz to the folks... the 'statists' and the ACers alike.

What you are whining about here doesn't even make any sense.

The only one fixating on that meme is you. Why are you doing that? How about you cut that shiz out. I doesn't make a lick-o-sense to claim I'm 'strawmanning' you. I wasn't even making an 'argument' with anyone. You weren't even posting here then.
07-12-2017 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
It is snark, and it is skipping over an extensive history of AC discussions in Politics and Chezland that had arrived at that point. If it feels out of the blue to you, it is because you have missed a bunch. Like, the whole history of talking AC here, if we grant that there is such a thing (I do not), is following the premises to some uncomfortable conclusions. If you don't like that, then it seems like you just want to have a safe space to JAQ off.
AC hasn't been discussed much in 'chezland' so not sure why that came up. I'm not one myself but still think it's an interesting political discussion which should be welcome in a politics discussion forum.

You know the objection to the 'safe space' point. i.e that it's untrue - what people really want is a level playing field. We can allow a level of personal attacks/trolling or not but posters really hate any perception that it's not a personal attack if the mod believes it's true or justified.
07-12-2017 , 03:11 PM
I'm the one asking about rapetown. It could be a dozen other things getting at the core idea that ACland has no central government so there is only kumbiya to stop the power from being accumulated by a group that uses it for awful purposes. To which the traditional ACist response was "well power is abused in statistland too and drones."
07-12-2017 , 03:19 PM
Co-incidentally I've just written a character reference for trolly in 7.0 that probably works itt also

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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Hi,

MD asked me to weigh in so here's my take. He's like a more annoying Socrates (if such a thing were possible) because you not only have to defend your basic assumptions and axioms but you also have to decipher the language of peeps, shiz, potusbowls, and COLOURS

That said I certainly would never say he misrepresents arguments or creates strawmen and if you get past the eccentricities you really can have a "productive conversation" very easily if that's what you desire. You've just got to put a bit of work in because you won't be able to rely on the conversational assumptions that a lot of us take for granted.

Like Socrates (or Galadriel for the less philosophically minded) the only obfuscation you'll find is a reflection of that which you've brought with you, though you may not recognise it as yours unless you're prepared to have a long and difficult stare into the mirror. I think MD would be better served if he was clearer about when he is claiming a position (almost never) and when he is following the chain of reasoning from your stated positions, because not everyone can appreciate the rhetorical device and it could look like a strawman if you disagree with where the chain leads but if you think he's just trolling my advice would be check yourself (before you wreck yourself obviously).
07-12-2017 , 03:30 PM
The important question is: what color would trolly use when mentioning Socrates in a post?
07-12-2017 , 03:35 PM
Ban if it's not close to Pleasant Pastel Green
07-12-2017 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Co-incidentally I've just written a character reference for trolly in 7.0 that probably works itt also
You're confusing me with my colorful cousin, Shamey.
07-12-2017 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
The important question is: what color would trolly use when mentioning Socrates in a post?
There is a method to my madness. I only do SNs.

Unless Socrates reg'ed hear under his IRL name, he'd just be Socrates. For SNs I use the current 2+2 color. There are a handful of exceptions for select Odi Award winners (Toothsayer, BruceZ, TomVeil, and Teh Jabber-Wookie).
07-12-2017 , 04:04 PM
Why does TS get red?
07-12-2017 , 04:04 PM
because he's the administrator of odiousness
07-12-2017 , 04:19 PM
Why is Fly in such a minute font?
07-12-2017 , 04:22 PM
My 'odi' award winners. All the Trollys, 5ive, Flywf, jalfrezi and GBV. Any objections odious ones?
07-12-2017 , 04:24 PM
I never win anything
07-12-2017 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
I never win anything
Never say never. Festivus is coming...
07-12-2017 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
My 'odi' award winners. All the Trollys, 5ive, Flywf, jalfrezi and GBV. Any objections odious ones?
None of those

In order: No Quarter, Moo Buckets, Rep, Einbert

...denying the death of 20 kids should win the match, no?
07-12-2017 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
None of those

In order: No Quarter, Moo Buckets, Rep, Einbert

...denying the death of 20 kids should win the match, no?
My list is crap. It is just a bunch of political opponents whom I dislike ie just as relevant as Shame Trollys odious list which he seems to put a great deal of effort into for some bizarre reason.

Your list looks better than either of ours though since Einbert is in it and Sandy Hook conspiracies are rock bottom.
07-12-2017 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Marn
... It is just a bunch of political opponents whom I dislike ie just as relevant as Shame Trollys odious list which he seems to put a great deal of effort into for some bizarre reason...
Naw. The Odi Award doesn't get handed out to my political opponents. I don't really have political opponents here, but they don't get handed out to most of those that I spend most of my time yapping with either.

You gotta be odious to win an Odi Award. The 'bizarre reason' comment was was spot-on, however.

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... Sandy Hook conspiracies are rock bottom.
It's up to the Competition Committee, not me. They deliberate in private. I can say there have been several inquiries regarding Sandy Hook. Historically, being a zombie (coming back from a perma), and having an extremely obnoxious avatar, seem to have swayed the committee. We're going to all have to wait until Festivus however
07-12-2017 , 06:56 PM
I think marn illustrates the problem conservatives have on this forum: instead of judging objective reality, they simply project their own biases onto others. Since they know they'd be biased while modding, they assume others are. Since they know their list of bad posters would only be comprised of political opponents, they assume others would do the same.

I don't fully understand if Trump brought this out of them, or just was such a blatant abuser of projection that it made it easier to realize that this is what conservatives do.
07-12-2017 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
... I don't fully understand if Trump brought this out of them, or just was such a blatant abuser of projection that it made it easier to realize that this is what conservatives do.
Exactly. The latter. It's been going on as long as "Lefty Mods Gotta Go" has been their manta. Same shiz... all long before MAGA.

      
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