Girl who made my chicken shwarama sandwich at lunch today seemed pretty moderate afaict.

You better go have your stomach pumped to be safe.

Jfc, you whine... like, a lot.

His actions have proven to be only for the betterment of himself. Until such time there is proof otherwise, it is perfectly cromulent to say he doesn't have any interest in making the world better

Is this now a thread that should be moved to one of the politics forums? I don't care if it stays here, but I'm curious if this recent discussion between Zorkman and his detractors has a place in either of the other forums.

It's basically a P7 thread. Except I would ask zorkman not to make blanket dehumanizing claims about all Muslims.

want it?

That's all you would moderate here?

I don't know if it's the only thing or not. I know that

a) the part of the conversation involving zork reads like a P7 thread
b) That one zork post sticks out as something I'd moderate

I haven't tried to make some definitive evaluation beyond that. I wasn't reading it that closely.

As far as do I want it, I definitely don't want this whole thread. Most of it is about the politics forum moderation. It's probably not actually worth moving even this last bit, I suppose. The question was about whether some of the discussion would have a place in either politics forum, and I think the discussion that isn't explicitly about the main forum moderation is similar to plenty of other P7 threads.

Thread serves as another example of the failure of self-regulation. Even greens and oranges who should otherwise know better still get sucked down the blatantly obvious troll hole.

This is an important post right here. It is the admission of intent. Zorky isn't interested in substantive discussion. He doesn't care about actual policy. He doesn't want to share interesting links with fellow posters or be introduced to new information. What he wants is what this thread is right now - a content free slap fight. He is thriving. He is in his element.

Now that's fine to a degree I suppose. There is an entire forum dedicated to that for those who want it. But the next time you see Zorky or any of his ilk complain about echo chambers and liberal bias and freedom of expression and whatever other nonsense they want to throw around, remember that it is absolutely 100% insincere bull****.

Insincere nonsense and bull**** huh?

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I don't really understand what BroadwaySushy and zorkman want, actually. I'm not going to de-mod any politics moderators. I think if you want to influence any change, you're best off dealing with the p7 mods over in p7.

I have already said what my motivation is. That is that I think echo-chambers are abhorrent and potentially dangerous in the current climate.

But obviously nothing is going to be done about it, so there's probably not much point discussing it any further.

Plus it's not a good look for the site, but I guess that's not my problem.

Is there not a politics forum on the internet that runs closer in line with your political beliefs? Because if so, and you're aware of its existence, then Zikzak's earlier statement about intent appears accurate.

...and I've never seen Zikzak be right on anything.

I like he takes no responsibility for the echo chamber. Conservatives don't come to debate issues they come to destroy the community, the result is that the community defends itself against the attackers and becomes more of a mono-culture. If Conservatives actually wanted to debate issues this wouldn't happen, but it appears there are none on 2+2 who want that so we are were we are; laughing at ****ty posters thinking they are changing the world by posting ****ty.

Sushy wants to bitterly lash out at anything vaguely related to the left because he's very angry about... things. He is unhappy that he can no longer lash out in the main Politics forum.

Zorkman doesn't take any of this seriously and treats it as an eristic game. He wants to win the POG Polemics championship.

zikzak.

Serious question.

How in the blue **** can you be so arrogant that you think you can see inside my mind and determine what motivates me?

You don't have a ****ing clue. Not a ****ing clue.

Or if he was honestly an anti-echo-chamber warrior, why not actually attack any one of the myriad forums that are both more echoy and more trafficked? I mean, Red State banned a guy for doing math that ran against the gut feels of one of their editors. He should head that way and fight the good fight, imo.

I think this is pretty fair. If you are a conservative and care about making P or P7 more open to conservative ideas, then the best thing you can do is present your ideas in a winsome manner. This means you have to eschew trolling, complaining about how things are unfair, insulting others and so on. It also means presenting your ideas in a thoughtful manner and responding to people's objections seriously. These would be the markers of a good faith effort to make the politics forums more open to conservatives.

So if happens elsewhere as well that makes your one OK huh?

(reply to wookie)

Come on. You're just pissed off that I didn't answer that question that you kept stalking me with. Even though I had already answered several of your questions on the same subject.

Lol

Two wrongs make a right in wookies world, obviously.

And you still haven't provided me with that citation I requested either. Quite ironic really.