Top Set Mining (TSM) - Page 6 - Poker Beats Brags and Variance

Obviously you can get lucky occasionally playing bottom set against an inexperienced player at the micros, but that doesn't mean that it's a good play. This is QQ/KK pretty much always against a good villain (obv. AA is check/fold after the flop).

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04-20-2010 , 06:51 AM

#128

Amedor

adept

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Originally Posted by Mr.Happy

Lucky this guy was running at 80/9 then.

Beat: I can no longer tell if people are being serious any more or not >_<

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04-20-2010 , 07:59 AM

#129

The Guy with 22

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 101

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Originally Posted by Clever Nickname

Well, if you really want to open up your game you could consider mid-set mining, but generally that style of play is very high variance and only recommended for high-level LAGs who can think through the inevitable tough spots.

midset mining is ******ed too, **** this discrimenatory thred

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04-20-2010 , 11:30 AM

#130

meanderingemu

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 425

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Originally Posted by The Guy with 22

midset mining is ******ed too, **** this discrimenatory thred

at first i read midget mining.... that is discriminatory also....

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04-25-2010 , 09:49 AM

#131

Amedor

adept

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 746

Damn now I understand what Veneer means.

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
Betfair
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG tzenaro ($3.98)
UTG+1 Smorodina ($7.02)
CO sqquirel ($12.63)
BTN korios ($9.95)
SB sausageman1 ($5.81)
BB Hero ($11.38)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is BB 3

2 folds, sqquirel calls $0.10, 1 fold, sausageman1 raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.30, sqquirel folds

Flop: K

($0.95, 2 players)
sausageman1 checks, Hero bets $0.67, sausageman1 calls $0.67

Turn: 6

($2.29, 2 players)
sausageman1 checks, Hero bets $2.24, sausageman1 raises to $4.48, Hero raises to $6.72, sausageman1 calls $0.26

River: 3

($15.99, 2 players)

Final Pot: $15.99
sausageman1 shows
J

Hero shows
3

Hero wins $13.12 (net +$5.33)

sausageman1 lost $5.81
sqquirel lost $0.10

Least I claimed my suck-out for the day so won that 1 outter. But from now on I am folding that on the flop unless I hit quads.

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04-25-2010 , 10:24 AM

#132

Harlequin99

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 560

Lol, at this whole thread. You do realise that top set isn't much better than bottom set? They both lose to straights and flushes.

Nut straight mining (NSM) is a vastly superior strategy, I only play JT, QJ, KQ and AK, as these hands make nut straights when they hit which always beats top set and you never have to worry about being beaten by better straights. Against nits, I only play these hands suited, so I can nut straight-flush mine (NSFM).

You guys are too loose.

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04-25-2010 , 10:30 AM

#133

ToTheInternet

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Originally Posted by Harlequin99

I don't think anyone is serious, I think they are all leveling. I might be wrong though.

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04-25-2010 , 10:47 AM

#134

Amedor

adept

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 746

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Originally Posted by ToTheInternet

I don't think anyone is serious, I think they are all leveling. I might be wrong though.

WHAT IS LEVELING MEAN?! HOW CAN I BE LEVELING IF I DUNNO WHAT IT MEANS?!

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04-25-2010 , 10:54 AM

#135

ToTheInternet

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Originally Posted by Amedor

WHAT IS LEVELING MEAN?! HOW CAN I BE LEVELING IF I DUNNO WHAT IT MEANS?!

Its kind of like how scout sucks at poker and is down 4 mill at mostly 25/50, but he managed to string together the infallible play required to win a tourney a few days ago and pocket 90k.

Sometimes...sometimes...dude let me tell you something...sometimes...the skill...the skill...has luck too...

Spoiler:

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04-25-2010 , 11:16 AM

#136

Amedor

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Originally Posted by ToTheInternet

Spoiler:

I love how that both makes sense and doesn't at the same time.

And what is it with you and creepy girl pictures?

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04-25-2010 , 11:21 AM

#137

ToTheInternet

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Originally Posted by Amedor

I love how that both makes sense and doesn't at the same time.

And what is it with you and creepy girl pictures?

She's v hot ldo. Perhaps I'm leveling, but that would be a pretty elaborate level lol!

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04-25-2010 , 11:21 AM

#138

Amedor

adept

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Originally Posted by ToTheInternet

She's v hot ldo. Perhaps I'm leveling, but that would be a pretty elaborate level lol!

Sorry, I wouldn't know, I am gay, ldo.

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07-24-2010 , 10:35 PM

#139

WhateverSon

Pooh-Bah

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wtf

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07-24-2010 , 11:00 PM

#140

YouFaiil

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Surely set over set is so infrequent that by the time youve set mined 20 stack successfully, youll lose set over set like once? i dont know the math, correct me if im wrong, so your losing out on so much value with these hands. Also Equity etc, surely set vs, top 2 pair, tptk (i know i know), OESD + FD, builds up more of a range than set vs set?

I guess your theory suggests be more aware of set over set, play your PP's IP multiway, after all on a dry board, a raise/re raise and a 3rd player shoving over, with you sitting there with bottom set looks nasty and here you are more aware.

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07-24-2010 , 11:10 PM

#141

ifloptopset

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Originally Posted by YouFaiil

What a beat.

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08-14-2010 , 04:55 PM

#142

Stackajawea

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should have folded to his river overbet shove. the only thing that makes sense here is quad mining. definitely well played by him on the flop and turn knowing bottom set just wouldn't cut it if stacks got in the middle.

The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $22.55
CO: $99.45
BTN: $22.55
Hero (SB): $108.00
BB: $50.00
UTG: $86.70

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with A

UTG raises to $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $4.50, UTG calls $4.50

Turn: ($16.50) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $10.75, UTG calls $10.75

River: ($38.00) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $67.95 all in, Hero calls $67.95

Final Pot: $173.90
Hero mucks A

UTG shows 6

(four of a kind, Sixes)
UTG wins $170.90
(Rake: $3.00)

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08-25-2010 , 05:13 AM

#143

JustinJude

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This doesn't affect me because I play pocket pairs for Quads and suited connectizers for straight flushes.

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10-14-2010 , 07:56 PM

#144

Rampage_Jackson

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bump

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10-14-2010 , 08:14 PM

#145

Stealy Man

old hand

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i got aces man , he's got a set bro

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10-14-2010 , 10:05 PM

#146

grumpshky

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dude totally top set mined a lag tard!!!!!

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 982193
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $45.57
Hero (UTG): $24.40
MP: $8.27
CO: $42.11
BTN: $22.66
SB: $25.56

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with 8

Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BTN calls $1, 1 fold, BB raises to $3.75, Hero calls $2.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($8.60) 2

(2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($20.60) 4

(2 players)
BB bets $15, Hero calls $14.65 all in

River: ($49.90) 7

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $49.90
BB shows K

(high card Ace)
Hero shows 8

(three of a kind, Eights)
Hero wins $47.90
(Rake: $2.00)

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10-14-2010 , 11:17 PM

#147

wWizardG

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,126

OP, your balls simply are not large enough for poker. You should probably find a new hobby... perhaps Scrabble or Go Fish.

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10-15-2010 , 12:42 AM

#148

Steven Segal's Dad

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,320

OP, you obv didn't hear set mining went out the window in like 04'-05'

Now, the greatest players are shoving J10 suited, or re-raising AI with it. Whenever they pick up the hand known as "The Legend," all they have to do is shove because it's fifty/fifty on hitting a straight or a flush.

Of course shove AA, and KK too ldo