And you wonder why you lose money.

wow this is definitely one of the top 5 BBV OPs ever. lold the whole time i read it lololol

Huge leak!

Then write a 2+2 book, this info is too powerful to keep secret!

meh, just wait until i hit an overset to the board

Have people seriously not seen the Ackbar its a tarp pic before? Its at least like 2 years old

This thread is epic. This is my favorite part by far which literally had me laughing out loud.

22, 33: Dump this like 98% of the time - you will never have Top Set with this hand. Sometimes call for quad value if you are deep enough. There is always a chance that villain might draw to overquads, but that's just a standard cooler if it happens - you can't worry about overquads when you have quads.

Seriously OP, this strategy is nothing new and has been used by years by many TV-pros, as this will show. I have been trying to work into my game but always get too impatient with middle set.

Edit: Obviously this guy has a lot to learn though. He should read BBV more.

this:

is why this:

ldo

did u trip and fall in2 the archives?

Seems like it.

I LOL'ed even harder when I saw people praising the "its a tarp". I'm a 4chan /b/tard since before there were 3 million posts, and the tarp deviation is from like 2006, making it almost 2 years old at the time everyone was LOLing over it like it was brand new or something.

Even after all that, this thread is funny enough to be bumped ldo

remember that this is written in may 2007. the games has changed a lot since then, beeing more aggressive and such. take that into account when appliying OPs ideas at the tables, gl.

boring level

did the book come out yet?

some epic bumps going on lately.

some good advice in OP imo, must be where Tilly learned to check behind Antonious with a full house...she was mindful of the quads. Expert strat in BBV.

I just wanted to add an update to this thread now that it is 2009 and the game has changed somewhat.

TSM with these hand has now become far,far to risky IMO. The games are more aggressive and 3betting is common practice. The 3 main risks with TSM in the modern game with hands like AA-QQ are as follows;

1. Unless you open limp, and call a small raise with these hands preflop then I don’t know if it is profitable any more. So many people 3bet now and you just dont have the odds to set mine. So often you will have to fold preflop or run the risk of calling another 8bbs and folding often on the flop when 3 under cards that have given people sets have hit.

2. There is always the dreaded all in preflop from a short stack and an over shove from a maniac. Now you are 3 way to the flop and have to invest your entire stack with only something like 40% equity against a random sample. Please forgive if that % is not quite accurate I haven't stoved it because I would never call off a stack with equity even close to 40%. This doesn't happen often but you still have to take these things into account when making preflop decisions.

3.People call with such a wide variety of hands these days preflop, that even when you do hit your TS people are always drawing to flushes and straights. When you consider that a gut shot has 20% equity against your TS you just can’t afford to bet big in case the villain calls and 1/5 times he will hit and you will have lost a load of BB's.

Could people please put up some 2009 examples of this happening just to help emphasise the point that even TSM has become a very risky practice these days.

awesome

"you can't worry about overquads when you have quads."

I know I'm in desperate need of a BJ when I read TSM as DSL.

I lol'd

I LOVE THIS

hahaha

I have just no words reading this thread

Classic. Top notch stuff Verneer. Glad this was bumped.

Are you IDIOTS been serious, when I have a set im not worried about anything in the world

are you guys really that WEAKTIGHT (this means you play weak, like passive, but don't play many hands so wen u do play few hands u play them weak, this is no how u do it btw) im sure i can coach u if u want