Sep-12 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE POTRIPPER ($30,000) 98
Sep-5 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE DIPTHRONG ($30,000) 99
Aug-29 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE DAVIDP18 ($32,700) 109
Aug-22 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE PAYUP ($35,700) 119
Aug-15 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE REBUYPLZ ($38,400) 128
Aug-8 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE SCTROJAN08 ($32,700) 109
Aug-1 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE AARONBEENUF ($31,500) 105
Jul-25 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE DIPTHRONG ($27,900) 93
Jul-18 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE IVJOT ($24,300) 81
Jul-11 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE DUSTINKEENAN ($21,900) 73
Jul-4 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE GULS447 ($18,900) 63
Jun-20 21:00 $1000+50 NLHE CRAZYSKILLS ($28,200) 94

rjhufhjsdfhusdf I hate you absolute WHY DO YOU MAKE ME FORMAT THESE THINGS MYSELF

PAYUP - Posts small blind $2250
HERSCHELW - Posts big blind $4500
COCESARYUME - Folds
ELEMENO - Folds
BASTET2004 - Folds
CH0PPYPS - Folds
DANIELNEGAA - Folds
THE GRINDER - Folds
PAYUP - Calls $2250
HERSCHELW - Raises $13500 to $18000
PAYUP - Calls $13500
*** FLOP *** [Kh 2s 6h]
PAYUP - Checks
HERSCHELW - Bets $36000
PAYUP - Raises $72000 to $72000
HERSCHELW - All-In $21137

HERSCHELW - Shows [Ad 10d] (One pair, twos)
PAYUP - Shows [7s Kd] (Two Pair, kings and twos)

there are 87,000 more of these hands, he's playing 80/70 with lots of 10x raises going uncalled, and he's exhibiting perfect restealing vs. open folding with big hands behind him over and over. Payup is account #5 for sure. Who wants to go down the list of 1K winners?

ok I'm gone for 3 hours, someone else play detective for a bit

Then why did you join the forum if you're too lazy/stupid to read stuff?

Just from a marketing standpoint, there's no way they would take the steps in theory 1. This isn't politics where they're doing spin control with a media that already knows about this. The people who know about this constitute a small % of their actual player base. Sending out a press release "AP gets hacked!" makes about as much sense and Dunder Mifflen calling a press conference to apologize for an obscene watermark.

Whether they got hacked or it was an inside job, their line would be to contain, kill the accounts behind closed doors, and hope the suckers never find out about it. And as some here have implied, they can do that with the understanding that most thinking players will cooperate, because publicly calling into question the legitimacy of the game kills everyone's golden goose, not just Absolute's.

Think about it. If you go to some live game with a bunch of awful players tonight, would you tell them about how Absolute is rigged? Or when they talk about how they always lose, will you just laugh at them and ask if they need help redepositing?

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screw that. there's no justice like angry mob justice.

He said there were 87,000 (obv exaggeration) of them.. I am going to guess he sorted through enough of them and is having problems formatting them so it isnt worth his time to post them..

if the mod wants me to email him my whole HH he can either ask me or have adnathar forward it to him as I emailed it to him

I am also confident that if anyone else in the tourney who was at payups table sent theits in, the puzzle would be fairly complete.

sheets

Sorry for such a lo content post, but wow.

Wow.

This is terrible logic. Prediction #1 would never happen regardless of who is cheating.

Casaubon,

I think you might be underestimating the impact of not just 2+2, but every major poker forum online. Gone are the days where people blindly fumbled through the inter-webs. Most people who sign up and play online poker are savy enough to find most of these forums and read them for information.

cliffnotes: Internet forums that deal with internet poker = media that deal with everyday life.

You're also assuming that people in the press don't read this messageboard. The lack of damage control is disturbing, to say the least.

how do you see complete lists of MTT results for individual players in the DB? Is that an subscription option?

Thanks for the inspiration:

fell free to do with them as you would like. More on the way from the photoshop depot.

No, I just think you're vastly overestimating the impact of this message board. There's a sense of "we are the center of the poker universe" here that is deeply out of whack with the rest of the universe.

It's a disturbing story, I've moved all my money off the site because of this, but to say, as that post does, that "A lack of response by Absolute implies (proves?) it was an inside job" is completely dishonest and utterly contrary to all rules of marketing, pr, and the way corporate hacks think.

I played that $1K tourney, but only 6 hands w/ Payup.
Here are the 2 of the 6 that he did not fold preflop.

STAGE #867176000 TOURNEY ID 1873059 HOLDEM MULTI NORMAL TOURNAMENT NO LIMIT $1000 - 2007-08-22 23:37:25 (ET)
Table: 8 (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - BBEEZZER ($26947 in chips)
Seat 2 - _ZAYA_ ($30950 in chips)
Seat 3 - PAYUP ($50575 in chips)
Seat 4 - johnnycakes ($12590 in chips)
Seat 5 - RDCRSN ($17230 in chips)
Seat 6 - BOOBOOBEAR09 ($9265 in chips)
Seat 7 - JUICEB0X ($27430 in chips)
Seat 8 - GSP11 ($22185 in chips)
Seat 9 - LAURRRA ($20535 in chips)
BBEEZZER - Ante $100
_ZAYA_ - Ante $100
PAYUP - Ante $100
johnnycakes - Ante $100
RDCRSN - Ante $100
BOOBOOBEAR09 - Ante $100
JUICEB0X - Ante $100
GSP11 - Ante $100
LAURRRA - Ante $100
_ZAYA_ - Posts small blind $500
PAYUP - Posts big blind $1000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to johnnycakes [5s 4c]
johnnycakes - Folds
RDCRSN - Folds
BOOBOOBEAR09 - Folds
JUICEB0X - Folds
GSP11 - Folds
LAURRRA - Folds
BBEEZZER - Folds
_ZAYA_ - Calls $500
PAYUP - Raises $3000 to $4000
_ZAYA_ - Folds
PAYUP - returned ($3000) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PAYUP - Does not show
PAYUP Collects $2900 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2900)
Seat 1: BBEEZZER (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: _ZAYA_ (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: PAYUP (big blind) collected Total ($2900)
Seat 4: johnnycakes Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: RDCRSN Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: BOOBOOBEAR09 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: JUICEB0X Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: GSP11 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: LAURRRA Folded on the POCKET CARDS




STAGE #867169816 TOURNEY ID 1873059 HOLDEM MULTI NORMAL TOURNAMENT NO LIMIT $1000 - 2007-08-22 23:32:55 (ET)
Table: 8 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 1 - BBEEZZER ($28847 in chips)
Seat 2 - UGOTSHIPPED ($8550 in chips)
Seat 3 - PAYUP ($40225 in chips)
Seat 4 - johnnycakes ($5995 in chips)
Seat 6 - BOOBOOBEAR09 ($7365 in chips)
Seat 7 - JUICEB0X ($28330 in chips)
Seat 8 - GSP11 ($24085 in chips)
Seat 9 - LAURRRA ($27230 in chips)
BBEEZZER - Ante $100
UGOTSHIPPED - Ante $100
PAYUP - Ante $100
johnnycakes - Ante $100
BOOBOOBEAR09 - Ante $100
JUICEB0X - Ante $100
GSP11 - Ante $100
LAURRRA - Ante $100
JUICEB0X - Posts small blind $500
GSP11 - Posts big blind $1000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to johnnycakes [Jc Kc]
LAURRRA - Folds
BBEEZZER - Folds
UGOTSHIPPED - All-In(Raise) $8450 to $8450
PAYUP - Calls $8450
johnnycakes - Folds
BOOBOOBEAR09 - Folds
JUICEB0X - Folds
GSP11 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [Ac 2h 7d]
*** TURN *** [Ac 2h 7d] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [Ac 2h 7d 7s] [10d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
UGOTSHIPPED - Shows [Js Qh] (One pair, sevens)
PAYUP - Shows [8h 8c] (Two Pair, eights and sevens)
PAYUP Collects $19200 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($19200)
Board [Ac 2h 7d 7s 10d]
Seat 1: BBEEZZER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: UGOTSHIPPED HI:lost with One pair, sevens [Js Qh - B:7s,B:7d,B:Ac,P:Qh,P:Js]
Seat 3: PAYUP won Total ($19200) HI$19200) with Two Pair, eights and sevens [8h 8c - P:8h,P:8c,B:7s,B:7d,B:Ac]
Seat 4: johnnycakes Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: BOOBOOBEAR09 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: JUICEB0X (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: GSP11 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: LAURRRA Folded on the POCKET CARDS

boycott ap=good idea.

Any guesses as to what percentage of Absolute players will still play on the site and know nothing about what went on?
95%?

It would be interesting to find the bustout hands in the previous high buyin tourneys for the cheating accounts. Obv sucked out or called by a hero with marginal.

If I were on eof those players who lost $50K+ to one of these guys and I didnt get recouped or some osrt of sexy apology. I'd spent a couple days making sure everyone knew about it

Might not be of much help but got affiliate newsletter from AP today and it contained this info:

"Absolute Poker and the Absolute Poker website are solely owned and operated by Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, Route 138, Kahnawake, Quebec J0L 1B0. Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG is owned by a Mohawk of Kahnawake and is operated from the sovereign nation of the Mohawks of Kahnawake, located near Montreal Quebec. The Mohawks of Kahnawake have an aboriginal right to conduct online gaming that is recognized and protected by the Canadian Constitution.

Absolute Poker is licensed by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission that enforces regulations designed to ensure, amongst other goals, that: (1) only suitable persons/entities operate within Kahnawake; (2) all games offered are fair to the player; and (3) all winners are paid. "

What is the logic behind them entering tournaments and clearly trying to be the first few out? Is this a sign of obvious chip dumping or simply a cover up for the later big score?

Gbecks I think most believe the cheating did not start until the new ap interface was out.

lol this looks like my tourney database last year back when I played tourneys on PTY. lose, lose, lose, lose, ZOMG, lose, lose

At this point it looks like Absolute discovered the PAYUP account before everyone here did. They must have some information on how these accounts were "cheating" - otherwise they would not have discovered PAYUP - unless someone here let them know. At least they are doing some research without the help of the angry mob.

It also looks like these were fairly unused/low limit accounts prior to the recent update. Somewhere around the middle of August. Anyone have an exact date on this?


PS - Who was talking about this at TOKYOHANA in HOUSTON, TX last night?? Out yourself plz....