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02-21-2011 , 05:09 AM
took over 2 years to get here, but finally life unstuck. feels so great.
02-21-2011 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
Semi serious question. You have a bet who's fair value is 9:1. You KNOW this to be true...you just do. And someone is willing to offer you unlimited action at even money. What percentage of your net worth would you bet?
If you want to bet at full Kelly, you should bet 80% of your net worth.

A Kelly Strategy calculator
02-21-2011 , 05:10 AM
I need a term for when someone slowrolls, but they do it fast. For example they shake their head and roll the nuts.

like, you just dickrolled that guy!
02-21-2011 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
If you want to bet at full Kelly, you should bet 80% of your net worth.

A Kelly Strategy calculator
this, but bet half or quarter kelly.
02-21-2011 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by private joker
Being surrounded by the cretins at Commerce for more than 100 hrs a month does things to a man. I've seen it time and again. Most of those people don't even realize what it's doing to their psyche.

The players may be balanced in their betting patterns and ranges, but they sure as **** aren't balanced in their lives.

And if they are, then they're tough bastards and should be commended for the ability to stay sane while devoting so many of their waking hours to sitting at a poker table.

So what you are saying is that sitting at a table, next to a guy from a random terrorist nation, who utters five words after losing a pot:

"****ing mother ****er"

"**** bitch"

and then spends the next ten minutes muttering curses of death upon the female asian dealer....

You're saying that repeated exposure may potentially cause damage to ones psyche?
02-21-2011 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sternroolz
So what you are saying is that sitting at a table, next to a guy from a random terrorist nation, who utters five words after losing a pot:

"****ing mother ****er"

"**** bitch"

and then spends the next ten minutes muttering curses of death upon the female asian dealer....

You're saying that repeated exposure may potentially cause damage to ones psyche?
Apparently so.
02-21-2011 , 12:27 PM
jesse,

I posted that within 15 minutes of coming home from a birthday party there. my wife and I spent the ride home discussing how absolutely horrible the place is and then i click your blog and i see you went there voluntarily.

let me assure you, there will be a time in your life when you will dread the notion of going there much less actually going there

you will yearn for the opportunity to be able to not go there or anywhere like it.

you have that opportunity.

do not waste it.
02-21-2011 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by private joker
I would argue that we're good grinders because of it. It's not that we're not working -- we are; and we're cut out for it to a point. It's that we don't overwork because we want a healthy balance. That makes us happier people and thus more focused, better players.

Good griding doesn't equal degenning.
There were many times last year where if I had a better work ethic I would have stayed longer in some very good games where I had a great table image.

But there were also many times last year where if I had better game selection and impulse control I would have not played or at least left when stuck knowing that it wasn't a good game.

Overall, I think that means I played the exact right amount of hours.
02-21-2011 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by private joker
I would argue that we're good grinders because of it. It's not that we're not working -- we are; and we're cut out for it to a point. It's that we don't overwork because we want a healthy balance. That makes us happier people and thus more focused, better players.

Good griding doesn't equal degenning.
This is seriously flawed IMO. Why are you only cut out to a point? You don't have the ability to change that? That one particular aspect of your game is the one thing that cant improve? Overwork is just a matter of opinion. I've never played 2000 hours in a year, but certainly way more than 1k. Saying that 30 hours a week doesn't leave you time to have balance in your life is silly. We all know overachievers who work a real full time job and still get to book club or whatever else.

How i play in hour 50 (or 80) of the week is going to be very similar to how I play in hour 1 after a week vacation. Why isn't yours? It sounds more to me like you'd rather just not work and do fun stuff. Which is certainly your prerogative, who would blame you? I just think writing it off as what you should be doing is incorrect.
02-21-2011 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by lolmitHE
This is seriously flawed IMO. Why are you only cut out to a point? You don't have the ability to change that? That one particular aspect of your game is the one thing that cant improve? Overwork is just a matter of opinion. I've never played 2000 hours in a year, but certainly way more than 1k. Saying that 30 hours a week doesn't leave you time to have balance in your life is silly. We all know overachievers who work a real full time job and still get to book club or whatever else.

How i play in hour 50 (or 80) of the week is going to be very similar to how I play in hour 1 after a week vacation. Why isn't yours? It sounds more to me like you'd rather just not work and do fun stuff. Which is certainly your prerogative, who would blame you? I just think writing it off as what you should be doing is incorrect.
Life/work balance is pretty personal and there isn't a correct or incorrect balance point on the scale. Optimizing to play more hours might not be a factor in PJs equation at all, so how can you or I or anyone determine that he's doing something incorrect? It's not about whether 30 hours or 20 hours or even 10 hours a work is "balanced" it's whether it's an optimal situation for something in terms of personal happiness.

Our culture doesn't approve, but if working less and doing fun stuff is what someone wants, I say more power to them.

http://www.steverrobbins.com/articles/qlife.htm
02-21-2011 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by lolmitHE
This is seriously flawed IMO. Why are you only cut out to a point? You don't have the ability to change that? That one particular aspect of your game is the one thing that cant improve? Overwork is just a matter of opinion. I've never played 2000 hours in a year, but certainly way more than 1k. Saying that 30 hours a week doesn't leave you time to have balance in your life is silly. We all know overachievers who work a real full time job and still get to book club or whatever else.

How i play in hour 50 (or 80) of the week is going to be very similar to how I play in hour 1 after a week vacation. Why isn't yours? It sounds more to me like you'd rather just not work and do fun stuff. Which is certainly your prerogative, who would blame you? I just think writing it off as what you should be doing is incorrect.
I agree with Hyperrr above. It's just a question of values. Personally, I agree with joker. I don't see any huge virtue in being able to put in a ton of hours. Sure, you'll make more money and if that's what you care about then go for it.

But it doesn't sound worth it to me at all unless you really enjoy playing that much.
02-21-2011 , 03:15 PM
fwiw 40 table hours takes >40 hours spent in the casino. plus traveling, studying, and such. 30 table hours a week is likely similar to working 40 hours a week at a desk job.
02-21-2011 , 03:18 PM
I didn't say it was virtuous. Nor did I mean the last "you" I used to mean you the private joker. It was the all encompassing you. Probably poorly written on my end. My issue is with the "I can't do more than this well, so I won't" idea. You probably can and maybe should strive to. It WILL make every hour you play better, not just the "excessive" hours.
02-21-2011 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TylerMes
fwiw 40 table hours takes >40 hours spent in the casino. plus traveling, studying, and such. 30 table hours a week is likely similar to working 40 hours a week at a desk job.
Does 40 hours at a desk job equal only 40 hours of your life?
02-21-2011 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by lolmitHE
I didn't say it was virtuous. Nor did I mean the last "you" I used to mean you the private joker. It was the all encompassing you. Probably poorly written on my end. My issue is with the "I can't do more than this well, so I won't" idea. You probably can and maybe should strive to. It WILL make every hour you play better, not just the "excessive" hours.
I agree with the "can" part, but completely disagree with the "should strive to" part. If that's how you feel personally, great. Not everyone shares those values, and there are very good reasons not to.
02-21-2011 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TylerMes
fwiw 40 table hours takes >40 hours spent in the casino. plus traveling, studying, and such. 30 table hours a week is likely similar to working 40 hours a week at a desk job.
I would say the 40 hours a week in the desk job would feel like 80 hours a week. And 40 hours a week in the casino feels like i'm on permanent vacation/retired living out my golden years battling wits with fellow competitors. Now if we talking online well that's like water torture.

All depends on the person.
02-21-2011 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by lolmitHE
Does 40 hours at a desk job equal only 40 hours of your life?
Well, for me yes because I don't really do a full 40 being physically at the office.

Most people don't like being salaried because they work 45+ hours a week, it is amazing for me.
02-21-2011 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
Confirm 100 hours a month at commerce would be legendary. It's not a coincidence I played way fewer hours the year I moved to LA.

Tyler I was a little off I'm currently logging my 235th hour and have an outside shot at 300 by march 1.
im at 96 hours at commerce in february alone.
02-21-2011 , 07:06 PM
I mean I've almost put in a 100 in a week at commerce during lapc
02-21-2011 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bugstud
I mean I've almost put in a 100 in a week at commerce during lapc
We're not talking about isolated weeks or even one standout month. I'm talking month in, month out, for a full year -- even longer for many.
02-21-2011 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bugstud
I mean I've almost put in a 100 in a week at commerce during lapc
Apparently you've never impregnated a woman. The results will absolutely ruin LAPC for you.

God I'd love to get you BvB in the 100 just one more time.

How I miss the LAPC...
02-21-2011 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ProfessorBen
took over 2 years to get here, but finally life unstuck. feels so great.
I demand the story. Here or in a well, your choice.
02-21-2011 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DesertCat
Apparently you've never impregnated a woman. The results will absolutely ruin LAPC for you.
At least you have adorable tiny people to show for it?

(I sympathize, DC, I foolishly told my advisor I was going to be around Mon-Thursday during 'normal working hours' this semester )
02-21-2011 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by private joker
We're not talking about isolated weeks or even one standout month. I'm talking month in, month out, for a full year -- even longer for many.
this was for each week of like 4 during last lapc

I think LA people have less of an excuse than other parts of the country where they don't have games 24/7
02-21-2011 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bugstud
this was for each week of like 4 during last lapc

I think LA people have less of an excuse than other parts of the country where they don't have games 24/7
It may actually function the other way around though. In some ways it's probably easy to justify not playing a lot if you can reasonably assume that an equally good game (or four equally good games) are going to be there tomorrow.

Conversely, if you're somewhere where the games are sporadically good, it's very easy to talk yourself into putting in a lot of hours when the games run, because that game may not even run next week, let alone be as good. This perception of scarcity may prompt players into 'hoarding' hours, if that makes sense?

      
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