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04-10-2015 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
And for those of us in ****ty cell-phone-plan countries
ie the whole world
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04-10-2015 , 10:49 AM
What if the phone logs it's connection status/quality and physical data (gps, movement) and caches based on historic downtime.

For ex, you leave work to head to the train, it knows there is a 4 min patch of good 4g connection and then 25 mins of no connection tunnel, so it creates an image during those 4 mins.

Basically algorithmically mitigating common downtimes.
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04-10-2015 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Gullanian
ie the whole world
My old US cell phone plan had unlimited bandwidth.

Those were the days...
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04-10-2015 , 10:59 AM
my folks are grandfathered into sprint's unlimited data plan

i told them to never drop that plan
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04-10-2015 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
What if the phone logs it's connection status/quality and physical data (gps, movement) and caches based on historic downtime.

For ex, you leave work to head to the train, it knows there is a 4 min patch of good 4g connection and then 25 mins of no connection tunnel, so it creates an image during those 4 mins.

Basically algorithmically preventing common downtimes.
If you can understand user behavior at this level of detail, I think you'd have much better uses for it than caching web pages.

https://www.google.com/landing/now/
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04-10-2015 , 11:07 AM
I have unlimited from tmobile but it's so obviously throttled once you approach 5gb.
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04-10-2015 , 11:32 AM
Well we don't need to solve anything close to as complicated as Google Now does.

It's just eliminating the failure to read the 100 kb text that you want to because you are having intermittent connections.
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04-10-2015 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
I have unlimited from tmobile but it's so obviously throttled once you approach 5gb.
I called them to complain about this and they vehemently denied it, and I cancelled service. Got them to waive my cancellation fee, too, but it took like 2 hours on the phone with about 8 different managers.

Never going back.


So this morning I spent about 3 hours turning my group leader's barely comprehensible use case scenarios into diagrams and descriptions and surprise surprise he already doesn't like them before he's even seen them.

**** this guy. He didn't spend 3 hours on a friday morning hungover as hell making these ****s and I doubt he ever will. He's doing the lazy group leader thing where he just designates and critiques all the work without contributing much himself.

This is the one I had to work on this morning:

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3.1.N Available Tables Diagram
Description: An availability diagram of the restaurant layout, its tables, and which ones are available, should be readily accessed on the event that a customer calls in the either eat in, or reserve a table for a bigger party. This will be an exact replica of the normally accessed table diagram from the lobby menu. However when a table is clicked in this diagram, the menu does not show up. Instead an option to reserve the table for that future customer is popped up instead. If a reserved table is put on the restaurant layout, it is indicated by a blue shade now filling the table box, as opposed to a red or white one.
inputs: User input is required to properly utilize this feature. Tables already in use will not be able to take this input. Nor will tables already reserved, as to avoid redundancy.
Error Handling: The user should make careful mention as to which tables have been reserved, and if those tables need to be cleared out due to respective customers, either showing late, or canceling entirely.
It's so ****ing vague. Like what the hell do red or white tables mean? It's described nowhere. I just guessed they meant red = table being used and white = empty.

I've got about 8 more of these he wants by wednesday.
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04-10-2015 , 05:34 PM
lol we should trade guys. At least your guy tries to do something. The google doc guy on my team finally sent out the invitation, but it's an invite to one blank document with nothing in it, no topics that he said he would include. This is something he said he has been working on for the past week. There's no option for other people to upload documents or files. Anyone who uses google, knows that what he did, took 5 seconds.

So anyways, I got pissed off and just went ahead, created a folder and sent out the invite. And uploaded any appropriate documentation.

To this date, he hasn't done anything. I would of totally been fine with him being a dud. But at very least, don't talk like you are going to contribute and do nothing. That's my biggest pet peeve. If he would of came out of the gate saying, "Hey, I'm not going to do any work, go do it yourself", I would of been happy.
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04-10-2015 , 05:39 PM
I tend to think someone that lazy and incompetent eventually outs themselves. Hard to go 2-4 years coasting with no effort and end up with a degree.
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04-10-2015 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Barrin6
lol we should trade guys. At least your guy tries to do something. The google doc guy on my team finally sent out the invitation, but it's an invite to one blank document with nothing in it, no topics that he said he would include. This is something he said he has been working on for the past week. There's no option for other people to upload documents or files. Anyone who uses google, knows that what he did, took 5 seconds.

So anyways, I got pissed off and just went ahead, created a folder and sent out the invite. And uploaded any appropriate documentation.

To this date, he hasn't done anything. I would of totally been fine with him being a dud. But at very least, don't talk like you are going to contribute and do nothing. That's my biggest pet peeve. If he would of came out of the gate saying, "Hey, I'm not going to do any work, go do it yourself", I would of been happy.
Yea everyone in my group is trying at least. Isn't there just 4 of you?


We've been using google drive to share all our files, I think I'm the forerunner to getting started on our documentation. The problem is there is such a huge disconnect between my group leader who basically just furiously writes **** like what I quoted above without even talking to the programmers, then communicating to me what he wants me to document when I have:

no ****ing idea where he's coming from, what he wants, or the details of the implementation,

and what he expects me to actually do. Basically, I make a master diagram of the actors/actions in a use case scenario, then break each interaction down into parts. That's all I texted him this morning, that I finished the first one.

i get this long ass voicemail of him freaking out about how "dude, you're supposed to just do one use case at a time like the example in class, don't make complicated diagrams... " blah blah blah. he hasn't even seen what I did and I managed to turn that garbled mess into 7 pages of documentation so **** you.

It's all about page count anyways, if my diagrams aren't perfect the professor's literally never going to notice because he's not going through 10,000 pages of documentation in painstaking detail at the end of the semester unless he's a total psychopath, which I'm suspecting he is.

oh yea and he wants us each to produce 20 pages a week. Yea, right, okay, I'll get right on that.
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04-10-2015 , 06:00 PM
We have 5 guys.

Yea our team is churning out documentation right now too. We have no idea whether or not it's correct, however I believe it's the right play as it will allow us to present something to the professor, at which point he can give us feedback as to what to change or what not.
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04-10-2015 , 06:07 PM
Hi programming chat thread
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04-10-2015 , 06:07 PM
But you guys have already finished the program basically, right?

Way easier to churn out documentation IMO when you know the details of implementation. We haven't written one line of code and my group leader wants us to have 60 pages done by next wednesday. I guess we're actually waterfalling this ****.
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04-10-2015 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakin
But you guys have already finished the program basically, right?

Way easier to churn out documentation IMO when you know the details of implementation. We haven't written one line of code and my group leader wants us to have 60 pages done by next wednesday. I guess we're actually waterfalling this ****.
Yea it's way easier to write documentation when the program is done.

If you guys haven't started programming, I would start now and hopefully have something to present by Wednesday.

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Originally Posted by Anais
I tend to think someone that lazy and incompetent eventually outs themselves. Hard to go 2-4 years coasting with no effort and end up with a degree.
People like him will get degrees. It's not hard to get a 4 year degree in CS imo. They might not go to a to a good school, but they will get a degree.

Whether or not they get a job, is another story.
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04-10-2015 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
No this:

Code:
if (....) {
     // some code longer than 1 line
}
else {
     //some other code longer than 1 line
}
Yep I prefer this as well. Can't really say why just looks better to me and my brain can find the cases better if the word starts the line.
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04-10-2015 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by iosys
I've been thinking of making software that just does a lot of random web activity to scramble ways people are classified by their web presence.
Yeah we had some interesting talks among the AI folks at my last job about "farming social media accounts". Start them randomly at age 12ish and let them live on then you can pick and chose later. Seeding friends etc. is a little tricky though.
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04-10-2015 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Barrin6
Yea it's way easier to write documentation when the program is done.

If you guys haven't started programming, I would start now and hopefully have something to present by Wednesday.



People like him will get degrees. It's not hard to get a 4 year degree in CS imo. They might not go to a to a good school, but they will get a degree.

Whether or not they get a job, is another story.
I've met people from ivy league schools that are poor at programming and they have a masters in CS. I'm guessing that the schools are heavy math focused and very little student programming goes on because they are smart people. I had no problem helping some of them get up to speed but it is really something, when people will go into a field, never focus on what you will be doing after you graduate and get the degree.

I've been speculating if the job market will continue being so good, where people can get away with it and I think the answer is yes but I'm not sure.

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Originally Posted by clowntable
Yeah we had some interesting talks among the AI folks at my last job about "farming social media accounts". Start them randomly at age 12ish and let them live on then you can pick and chose later. Seeding friends etc. is a little tricky though.
I believe Snowden confirmed that the government has a control commenting system in place for if unpopular media is published. When I look at comments of articles from google news and not hacker news. I'll see general types of people spreading their common agenda onto people by reciting their beliefs and reasons for why they are right. Honestly it wouldn't be that hard to use such a system for manipulation and have people fall into it because most people don't want to go against the majority on certain topics.
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04-10-2015 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
Yeah we had some interesting talks among the AI folks at my last job about "farming social media accounts". Start them randomly at age 12ish and let them live on then you can pick and chose later. Seeding friends etc. is a little tricky though.
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04-11-2015 , 12:26 AM
i'm working on a homework project in a cs class, were using java. we are using iterators and i was wondering, say you had an iterator class that did hasNext(), next(), and remove(). would there be any point in having functions such as set() or add() in that class? i can understand why you would use iterator.hasNext() and interator.next() which is basically for the for-each loop, but other than that I don't see the point. why would u make an iterator instance and then use that instead of just doing it normally.

Last edited by Ryanb9; 04-11-2015 at 12:32 AM.
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04-11-2015 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
My last little exercise for Clojure is refactoring the poker bot. It's not exactly a steaming pile of ****, but it's not what I would call an engineering masterpiece.

For some odd reason, refactoring caused me to add 100 LOC, but it is so much better now.
This is turning out to be a pretty good exercise. Nice to clean up two year old code. So much of it is "what the **** was I (not) thinking?"
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04-11-2015 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryanb9
i'm working on a homework project in a cs class, were using java. we are using iterators and i was wondering, say you had an iterator class that did hasNext(), next(), and remove(). would there be any point in having functions such as set() or add() in that class? i can understand why you would use iterator.hasNext() and interator.next() which is basically for the for-each loop, but other than that I don't see the point. why would u make an iterator instance and then use that instead of just doing it normally.
Because you're iterating through some objects... It's just a placeholder, really.

Maybe what you're thinking of is a stack or queue type of data structure? I'm confused as to the question you're asking.
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04-11-2015 , 04:59 AM
For anyone who is a moron like me and runs a VirtualBox. Suppose you do something really stupid and now the whole OS is frozen and you aren't interested in losing 8 hours of work.

How can I force the OS to shut down and go back to the last save point of the OS, not of the VB? Like force reboot on a normal machine?
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04-11-2015 , 05:25 AM
Yeah Ryan your question didn't make sense to me, maybe clarify? I figured it was because I know barely any Java but I just looked up how it works and the question still makes no sense.
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04-11-2015 , 05:28 AM
Also from looking it up, I read through how it works in my language of C#. I didn't realise that the foreach statement will operate not just on objects implementing IEnumerable, but simply on any object which provides a MoveNext() method, which seems super gross.
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