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08-15-2015 , 11:35 AM
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No need, everything I need to know, I just ask on ask.com

http://www.ask.com/web?q=how+to+be+hip
I think you asked the wrong question:

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laugh at the nerds falling behind:

http://www.ask.com/web?q=what+javasc...rpSearchTopBox

make sure you get ahead of the game:

http://www.ask.com/web?q=what+javasc...rpSearchTopBox
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08-15-2015 , 11:56 AM
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In one recruiter's email, every single sentence ended in an exclamation point. (!)
No one recruits louder than we do! (R)
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08-15-2015 , 12:21 PM
That rejection was super exciting to read! They were so glad to have met me! Unfortunately, my background didn't fit their needs! They will keep me in mind for later!

Thanks for applying!
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08-15-2015 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Grue
Q1 2014 called, they'd like their javascript framework back.
Q4 2016 called - it said you should have waited for Apple/AirBnB/some other company with infinite resources' framework. Now you're stuck with react/ember. Facebook silently mocks you.
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08-15-2015 , 02:07 PM
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Q4 2016 called - it said you should have waited for Apple/AirBnB/some other company with infinite resources' framework. Now you're stuck with react/ember. Facebook silently mocks you.
My actual job is working with a proprietary framework that from what I can tell was made around 2008.

=/
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08-15-2015 , 02:13 PM
We have one of those - based on prototype. We call it Jake-Query or Jake JS - named after the guy who created it and the only one who ever really understood it. We're slowly replacing it with angular.
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08-15-2015 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
i am trying to backup my iphone to itunes on my mac laptop (rotflol!!), and i can do the backup part all right. but now i want to delete the 2G of text messages from phone to free space. all the tutorials i find googling tell me download some 3rd party software to achieve this. apparently apple provides no way to delete all text messages from your phone? or i'm too inept to figure it out.... i changed the setting to keep them for 30 days only, but that's not freeing the space.
Correct, iOS has no built-in mechanism to delete all text messages and text messages only.
Fastest way without 3rd party apps is to go to the overview of all conversations, hit edit, mark all of them (yes, manually), then hit delete.

I believe the 30 day thing only kicks in when nothing happens on that particular conversation for 30 days (ie. I think older messages do not get deleted as long as new ones come in.)

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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
ideally, i'd like to keep the backup of those messages so i have a historical record of them on my computer. but if i need to restore my phone i don't want them readded to the phone. basically, all i want is: 1. get them all off phone permanently 2. put them in some folder in dropbox
I'd use a 3rd arty app for both 1 and 2.

You can only export single messages (or a group thereof) from one conversation at a time with iOS functions.
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08-16-2015 , 03:32 PM
ugh 20 day streak on github = this is now a thing.
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08-16-2015 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Thanks. I've seen vague dark mutterings that accessing parent scope is a Bad Thing, but I have no idea why that is or if that is accurate.
not sure if what we do is standard, but we pass stuff around mostly in services. if nesting we just use directives for widgets.

so if we have a 'likes' widget on the 'projects' details page

it'd be something like

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<h1>{{project.name}}</h1>
<like-widget obj="project" />
...
The like-widget directive will just have an isolated scope but have access to the project object (and can modify it)
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08-16-2015 , 05:47 PM
Inside Amazon: wrestling Big Ideas in a Bruising Workplace
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The company is conducting an experiment in how far it can push white-collar workers to get them to achieve its ever-expanding ambitions.
I have heard from more than one person that Amazon was "churn and burn" and I guess this article confirms that. An interesting read in my view, what it is like to work for "bleeding edge" companies perhaps.

Last edited by adios; 08-16-2015 at 05:53 PM.
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08-16-2015 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by kazana
Correct, iOS has no built-in mechanism to delete all text messages and text messages only.
Fastest way without 3rd party apps is to go to the overview of all conversations, hit edit, mark all of them (yes, manually), then hit delete.

I believe the 30 day thing only kicks in when nothing happens on that particular conversation for 30 days (ie. I think older messages do not get deleted as long as new ones come in.)


I'd use a 3rd arty app for both 1 and 2.

You can only export single messages (or a group thereof) from one conversation at a time with iOS functions.
thanks for the answer!
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08-17-2015 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by RogerKwok
not sure if what we do is standard, but we pass stuff around mostly in services. if nesting we just use directives for widgets.
Yeah I did some reading today and that's what I came up with. Some articles advocating using services to encapsulate a model which includes methods for manipulating the data as well as the data itself. Keeping controllers bare-bones, which is something I'm accustomed to doing in ASP.NET MVC and I think is a good way of doing things.

Amazing what just sleeping on stuff can do, I read some of the same stuff a couple days ago and was like, wat? Then I came back to it today and it all made perfect sense.
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08-17-2015 , 08:57 AM
btw having done some more reading/thinking about the direction of JS frameworks and such, I'm a fan of flux-type architecture with a unidirectional data flow, but remain sceptical of the React approach of bundling views into "render methods". I still haven't actually used React and am open to changing my mind. I also still feel like React has a bit of the Lisp problem of "you can do things any way you want!", which sounds great to skilled coders but doesn't provide enough structure to rank and file hackers, aka 95% of developers.

I'm very much liking the direction of what I've seen of Angular 2, now that I understand better some of the problems of Angular 1.x. Two-way databinding had to go, scope was pretty much a bad idea, and it seems like the team is working hard to make Angular compatible with the future of web development.

Has anyone used Meteor? I had a bit of a look at it and it seemed... suspiciously magical. The close coupling with MongoDB is an issue for me aside from anything else.
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08-17-2015 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Inside Amazon: wrestling Big Ideas in a Bruising Workplace
I have heard from more than one person that Amazon was "churn and burn" and I guess this article confirms that. An interesting read in my view, what it is like to work for "bleeding edge" companies perhaps.
Interesting rebuttal: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/amazo...ick-ciubotariu

I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle, but I generally treat the big in depth articles like the NYT article with a lot of skepticism. They write these articles to tell a simple story in an 'interesting' way. So they pick one narrative and go with it. While I don't have a lot of insider knowledge of Amazon, I can confidently say that everytime I've read an indepth article of a topic I do know a lot about it - it's almost completely wrong and at best a single oversimplified facet of a complex story.

I'll add that the NYT article really lost me at:

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To prod employees, Amazon has a powerful lever: more data than any retail operation in history. Its perpetual flow of real-time, ultradetailed metrics allows the company to measure nearly everything its customers do: what they put in their shopping carts, but do not buy; when readers reach the “abandon point” in a Kindle book; and what they will stream based on previous purchases. It can also tell when engineers are not building pages that load quickly enough, or when a vendor manager does not have enough gardening gloves in stock.
The wording of the bolded is a perfect example of how you take a completely standard thing that all companies do and word it in a way to reinforce the simplified narrative that you're trying to sell.
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08-17-2015 , 09:40 AM
Amazon has access to metrics that dwarf every company.

They can even tell when some of their Web pages load too slow!!!
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08-17-2015 , 09:44 AM
I like React. The componentized approach works very well for the typical web application, way better than the template approach of angular. I never got as far as custom directives in that so maybe thats just as good. I like 1 way binding that is manually updated through setState way better than the magical 2 way stuff as well, and I wound up "enjoying" JSX more than I thought I would.

The weakest part of React for me is Flux itself. Not only is there no standard product meaning you have to rely on weakly documented 3rd party approaches but it doesn't have a very good structure and a lot of times you have to bounce around between "ok, does this component retrieve its state from a React parent itself, or from Flux?" and yeah. But its fine.

This is coming from a guy who just used a React method called "dangerouslySetInnerHTML".
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08-17-2015 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
Amazon has access to metrics that dwarf every company.

They can even tell when some of their Web pages load too slow!!!
i agree with jj's general point, but in fairness i think what is being said is that they are using metrics on user behavior to infer problems with load times. While ofc anyone can profile load times with chrome dev tools, what amazon is doing is far more general: it can also be used to detect problems with changes to UI / UX, or with anything that can possibly influence human behavior.
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08-17-2015 , 09:50 AM
My specific point there was that you monitor pages that don't load quickly enough because slow loading (however you want to define this) pages are bad and you need to fix them. Sometimes its a code bug, sometimes its hardware problem, sometimes its a UI problem, sometimes its just a scaling issue, etc..

But they word it as if its a way to monitor engineer performance/skills. Which its not - except in a very tangential way.
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08-17-2015 , 09:51 AM
As far as Meteor I haven't seen a use case that requires isomorphic javascript in the way they heavily promote. Maybe validation but how hard is that to adapt? Frankly I immediately lost interest when during a presentation on it I noticed a method on the Meteor global unfortunately named "call".
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08-17-2015 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Grue
I like React. The componentized approach works very well for the typical web application, way better than the template approach of angular. I never got as far as custom directives in that so maybe thats just as good.


Custom directives for me is the heart of what angular is. If you're writing stuff without embedding things in directives you're doing it wrong for the most part I think. If you don't have declarative semantic clarity in Angular there isn't that much point to it.

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I like 1 way binding that is manually updated through setState way better than the magical 2 way stuff as well, and I wound up "enjoying" JSX more than I thought I would.

The weakest part of React for me is Flux itself. Not only is there no standard product meaning you have to rely on weakly documented 3rd party approaches but it doesn't have a very good structure and a lot of times you have to bounce around between "ok, does this component retrieve its state from a React parent itself, or from Flux?" and yeah. But its fine.
Yeah, I agree that 1-way binding is better - something that is addressed in Angular 2 - but the fact that React is not very opinionated I think is an issue. The problem is, that freedom appeals to highly skilled coders but is likely to confuse and annoy the majority of coders who want to be shown how to do something. There's some complaint over the Angular learning curve, yet takeup is astronomical. All the articles on React praise it for how easy it is to get started, yet takeup remains anaemic.

I have no doubt gaming_mouse is a better programmer than I am, but there is zero chance Mithril becomes a widely-used framework. The chances are higher for React, but I think it is likely to remain a niche thing. Like Lisp and many others before it, I feel it may fall victim to the Worse is Better trap.
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08-17-2015 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
While ofc anyone can profile load times with chrome dev tools, what amazon is doing is far more general: it can also be used to detect problems with changes to UI / UX, or with anything that can possibly influence human behavior.
I was making fun of the insinuation that they are using load times to performance review their engineers' work, as if that is some brand new oppressive set of metrics.

I would argue that almost every company that is in the eCommerce space and is doing >10mm yearly probably has similarly "oppressive" metric driven performance analysis for their website engineers or vendors.
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08-17-2015 , 10:34 AM
Again my experience with Angular is writing a few simple apps that display data so not sure how great custom directives are vs React's built in component style so I can't judge them there. On the surface they look significantly more difficult to implement.

I think the takeup on Angular is partially because of google backing and because people needed a solution that wasn't out there beyond Ember. I wouldn't be surprised to see significant React uptake mostly due to HN spam, facebook backing, and React native as a solution for mobile. Most of the startups I see lately are built on React vs Angular.
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08-17-2015 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Inside Amazon: wrestling Big Ideas in a Bruising Workplace
I have heard from more than one person that Amazon was "churn and burn" and I guess this article confirms that. An interesting read in my view, what it is like to work for "bleeding edge" companies perhaps.
And yet that's still a lot better than the grunts in the logistics centers. Amazon just seems to suck all around as an employer.
[pretty sure the article is overstated but the general idea seem accurate. Amazon doesn't really seem to have "employees make us great" in their corporate DNA]
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08-17-2015 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Grue
I like React. The componentized approach works very well for the typical web application, way better than the template approach of angular. I never got as far as custom directives in that so maybe thats just as good. I like 1 way binding that is manually updated through setState way better than the magical 2 way stuff as well, and I wound up "enjoying" JSX more than I thought I would.

The weakest part of React for me is Flux itself. Not only is there no standard product meaning you have to rely on weakly documented 3rd party approaches but it doesn't have a very good structure and a lot of times you have to bounce around between "ok, does this component retrieve its state from a React parent itself, or from Flux?" and yeah. But its fine.

This is coming from a guy who just used a React method called "dangerouslySetInnerHTML".
Aren't Relay and graphQL meant to replace Flux for the most part? Relay has recently been introduced so no idea yet.
http://facebook.github.io/react/blog...d-graphql.html

Overall I agree the component based approach makes sense to me. At least it feels like the right way to abstract stuff for now.
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08-17-2015 , 12:48 PM
Haven't heard much about those beyond that intro post. It says they're working on a public release so will maybe look then. Oddly, their last code commit on github is from 3 years ago. Regardless it seems like its more about data retrieval than state management so flux may be around for a while.
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