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05-21-2015 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Exactly what I was thinking. Take the top half of the head.

Similar to the Merchant of Venice where you get pound of flesh but no blood. Except in that case there's no easy way to still do damage w/o drawing blood.
Kick the **** out of him?
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05-21-2015 , 02:39 PM
The deal is to extract a pound of flesh.
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05-21-2015 , 02:58 PM
Damnit Suzzer, I'm an Integration Specialist not a Doctor!
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05-21-2015 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
You don't take stock of the quality of education you are receiving and adjust accordingly?
No, because I am not arrogant enough to believe I know better than the people teaching me.
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05-21-2015 , 04:51 PM
lol, who said I think I know better?

I've talked to dozens of people on and offline, of varying skill levels and educational backgrounds, and made what I think was a tough but correct decision for my career path.

So again, did you just pick a school at random and not investigate what they taught and how they teach it? Or were you something something arrogant?
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05-21-2015 , 05:11 PM
So I have this weird quirk where I'm only able to get interested in and learn useless things. Is rust useless enough for me to learn? I see 1.0 was released last week.
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05-21-2015 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Oh, pah! No one needs C++ in this mobile-first responsive JS-lib boilerplate world. Why are schools even teaching these crufty old languages anyways? Don't schools care about students getting jobs?
Surely you meant to say noone needs C++ because there's C and structs.
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05-21-2015 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakin
No, because I am not arrogant enough to believe I know better than the people teaching me.
This seems like a bad attitude. Always question everything.
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05-21-2015 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
lol, who said I think I know better?

I've talked to dozens of people on and offline, of varying skill levels and educational backgrounds, and made what I think was a tough but correct decision for my career path.

So again, did you just pick a school at random and not investigate what they taught and how they teach it? Or were you something something arrogant?
I picked what was available to me and the best option for my future career. Based on data and professional opinion. I did not presume to know what my curriculum should be.
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05-21-2015 , 05:40 PM
Sounds pretty similar to me then. Not sure what the issue is.
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05-21-2015 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Barrin6
C/C++ is never going to go away. You are either going to see it in your upper division class or in real work. Chances are, down the road you will run into a useful library that is written in C/C++ that you will need to port over. So it's coming back! Don't forget!
Knowing C/C++ and how things work at the low-level is helpful, but in practice, either it's part of your job to deal with C/C++ code bases or you won't see it. Having to drop down used to be slightly more common when people dealt directly at the level of OS, but nowadays almost no one does this.
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05-21-2015 , 08:42 PM
I was at a meetup last night where they were talking about GO. Looks like a somewhat interesting language. Looks a lot like C, has "pointer" syntax, structs, etc.. There was a few things that made me feel uncomfortable. It was an interesting presentation, but honestly, I don't see how the language will ever become widely used.
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05-21-2015 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
I was at a meetup last night where they were talking about GO. Looks like a somewhat interesting language. Looks a lot like C, has "pointer" syntax, structs, etc.. There was a few things that made me feel uncomfortable. It was an interesting presentation, but honestly, I don't see how the language will ever become widely used.
srsly can't tell if you are trolling?
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05-21-2015 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
Sounds pretty similar to me then. Not sure what the issue is.
I don't understand what's going on. Are you planning to drop out of school and look for a job instead?
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05-22-2015 , 12:31 AM
I vote drop out of school.
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05-22-2015 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
I was at a meetup last night where they were talking about GO. Looks like a somewhat interesting language. Looks a lot like C, has "pointer" syntax, structs, etc.. There was a few things that made me feel uncomfortable. It was an interesting presentation, but honestly, I don't see how the language will ever become widely used.
We use GO for a ton of stuff.

It's a thing.
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05-22-2015 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
srsly can't tell if you are trolling?
Not trolling. Where do you think I'm trolling?

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Originally Posted by jjshabado
We use GO for a ton of stuff.

It's a thing.
I know it is a thing. I'm saying I don't think it will be like some "next N" or take over the world type language.
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05-22-2015 , 02:26 AM
I went with learning Nodejs instead of Go and i've read articles where people say they really like Go compared to Nodejs.

Idk i'm having a lot of fun with express, socket.io and mongodb alone in Nodejs.
What exactly kind of modules does Go have in comparison?
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05-22-2015 , 04:18 AM
Go's compiler errors that uh... force you to write good code sounds a little over-zealous to me.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1...pilation-error

It seems like it forces you to focus more on waterfall style development and ultimately mistrusts the developer. I don't see why they can't just throw a warning instead. Sometimes we just want to splash around and test one function, or part of a function, at a time, remove unneeded variables to get something better, then clean up the code. What is this about importing a package and throwing an error when you don't use at least one function from each? Wouldn't this cause the code to have dangling functions that are just there doing nothing but calling them to pass up compiler errors?

The above paddling seems to contradict its syntax: the difference between = (reassignment / mutation) and := (assignment / immutable) isn't utterly confusing, but I'd probably have to add some syntax highlighting to really see the difference. I question calling F() public and f() private. There's something to be said about using syntax to shorten code, but I don't know if this is the right way to do it.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2...ase-lower-case

I was a bit bothered by Go's seeming desire to be both high-level and low-level, mutable and immutable, etc. I feel like a language should take a stance on either of the ideas and default to as a general case. No problems with an escape hatch in either direction, obviously.

I don't know enough to speak intelligently about Go, but those are my initial impressions. I didn't walk away feeling like I understood who the target programmer is. Do they want someone who is sick of C and wants to use pointers that don't allocate memory (are the "pointers" even "real" C-style pointers)? Do they want to target the Python / RoR programmer who wants to work closer to the metal?

Legit not trolling. I'm genuinely curious.
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05-22-2015 , 05:02 AM
Vast majority of new software in the nearish future (5-10y) will be web apps imo.
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05-22-2015 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Not trolling. Where do you think I'm trolling?



I know it is a thing. I'm saying I don't think it will be like some "next N" or take over the world type language.
There will be no "next N" or "take over the world type language" imo.
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05-22-2015 , 07:12 AM
Dave,

I see it as a language where you sprinkle a bit of it into your existing stack when you need its features.

Do you need extremely high performance for a specific service? Go.
Do you need to write something that benefits greatly from concurrency? Go.

Go's main problem is library support is still so far behind Ruby and Python that it's hard to be productive enough with it to base your entire stack around it.
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05-22-2015 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Barrin6
I don't understand what's going on. Are you planning to drop out of school and look for a job instead?
No? There are more options than just 4-year schools.

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Originally Posted by iosys
I vote drop out of school.
what are you, the ghost of peter gregory?



i legit feel depressed when i think about how i'll never get to see him play that character again. hurts ma' soul
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05-22-2015 , 03:26 PM
Today is intern resume screening day. So painful...

My favorite so far:

Compiler: Wrote compiler to convert source code to machine code.

Hmm, you don't say?
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05-22-2015 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
There will be no "next N" or "take over the world type language" imo.
Basically this. At this point, we're looking at something like:

Mainstream Tier 1:
Java, JavaScript

Mainstream Tier 2:
C, C++, PHP, Python, C#

Mainstream Tier 3:
Ruby, Objective-C

You can quibble about the rankings but it's hard to imagine any language not already listed above making the jump to Tier-1. Scala & Go seem both promising, but it would be a massive success for either to join Tier 3, let alone alone Tier 1.
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