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05-10-2015 , 10:53 PM
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9419877

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These days things are getting more complicated, to be a good sysadmin you also have to be a good developer. Usually as good and sometimes more than the people that write the apps that you will run, maintain and love long after they have decided they have something more shiny they could be working on.

You need to be able to dissassemble and fix programs built by other developers, diagnose issues in many runtimes, understand kernel subsystems and the various issues you can run into in kernel land.

You need indepth knowledge of C, system calls and the behaviour of hypervisors and hardware. Don't believe that running on EC2 and not programming in C gives you the luxury of glossing over these fundamentals.
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I'm a sysadmin for 16 years, I have worked in big and small companies and I don't agree with a great part of this post.

I'm not a developer, I have never needed to disassemble or fix programs built by others, never needed to understand kernel subsystems or anything else kernel related (except may be how to replace a broken driver/module). I know nothing of C, I know just the basics of system calls and I've never heard of skb or select() and epoll().

I don't even like developing software, which is the reason I once joined the sysadmin team at the company I worked for and fell in love with this job.
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You are literally the problem with system administration.

The attitude that you don't need to know how to program or understand the architecture of the systems that you run on is a highly privileged attitude that you are practitioner who can remain ignorant of their tools.
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05-10-2015 , 11:07 PM
The average Systems Administrator salary is $72,258.

No programming is necessary.
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05-10-2015 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Somnius
Which JavaScript debugger do you guys use?
Are there any options other than a web browser? I like chrome although IE debugger has gotten a lot better. I saw a video of some of the stuff they are adding for win10's browser and it looks very promising.

Also saw they are looking at implementing time travel trace for JavaScript debugger. Not sure how close they are to that becoming a reality.
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05-10-2015 , 11:28 PM
My buddy is a contractor sys admin for a bunch of law firms - I think he crushes me in salary.
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05-10-2015 , 11:48 PM
Today I wanted to get libbitcoin setup on my machine. (macbook pro)

Went to here:
https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-server

Built these solutions in this order:
libbitcoin/libbitcoin
libbitcoin/libbitcoin-blockchain
libbitcoin/libbitcoin-node
libbitcoin/libbitcoin-server

Needed to install these first!
autoconf automake libtool pkgconfig and boost

Note: I dislike to use MacPorts and Homebrew.

I go to GNU, download, build, autoconf, automake and libtool.

I could not figure out where to get pkgconfig, so I installed MacPorts and install pkgconfig, still figuring out where I can get that and build manually. Building libbitcoin gave me error that pkg-config is missing and research on google says that automake if built manually will not pickup pkg-config, so installed automake with macports too.

After building all the libbitcoin projects, which took like two hours, I now have the libbitcoin server syncing to blockchain which should take a day. Yay
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05-11-2015 , 01:50 AM
Why do you dislike Homebrew? It makes your life so much easier.
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05-11-2015 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bantam222
Are there any options other than a web browser? I like chrome although IE debugger has gotten a lot better. I saw a video of some of the stuff they are adding for win10's browser and it looks very promising.

Also saw they are looking at implementing time travel trace for JavaScript debugger. Not sure how close they are to that becoming a reality.
Here is one - http://jasmine.github.io/edge/introduction.html

Wasn't sure if there were others.

My development machine runs Linux but that TT looks interesting.
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05-11-2015 , 12:35 PM
Was probably my wording that's off - guess that would be testing and not a 'debugger'
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05-11-2015 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Barrin6
Why do you dislike Homebrew? It makes your life so much easier.
I prefer to do it myself.

I'm sure Homebrew is probably better then when I last used it.
I remember there was a reason why I removed it but I can't remember it.
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05-11-2015 , 08:51 PM
We had a consulting linux sys admin who had a 110/hr 40-50 hr a week remote job, and took a 63/hr 20-30 hr a week remote job as an off hours consultant for one of my clients.

He was also like 30 years old and living on a mountain in CO. The client of mine he was consulting at, he crushed the requirements in short order and then the Dir of Infras had him teach his team best practices and conduct workshops for the remainder of his contract.

A great sys admin in an enterprise environment is insanely valuable.
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05-11-2015 , 10:20 PM
I had a phone call with a recruiter this morning:

-- So, your resume says 'Post-ger S-Q-L.'
-- Do you know much about 'Centose'? (meaning CentOS)
-- When you are working on your server, do you use the command line at all?
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05-11-2015 , 10:23 PM
Centose: the fresh-maker
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05-12-2015 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
-- So, your resume says 'Post-ger S-Q-L.'
This isn't such a bad attempt, I'm sure there's much worse out there lol.
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05-12-2015 , 01:24 AM
They told me the starting pay and I'm thinking "so low?" which is, sadly, more than I currently earn.
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05-12-2015 , 01:57 AM
i always pronounce it S-Q-L in my head and not Seequel

luckily i've never had to say it out loud to anyone. i'd prob claim stupidity. "what is that some nerdy computer stuff?"
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05-12-2015 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
I had a phone call with a recruiter this morning:

-- So, your resume says 'Post-ger S-Q-L.'
-- Do you know much about 'Centose'? (meaning CentOS)
-- When you are working on your server, do you use the command line at all?
A knowledgeable technical recruiter is a black swan
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05-12-2015 , 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by _dave_
This isn't such a bad attempt, I'm sure there's much worse out there lol.
I think I was using it for a full year before I finally decided to look up the proper pronunciation. I'm definitely guilty of butchering the name.

"Why did your company use MySQL instead of PostgreSQL?"

"Our recruiters couldn't pronounce the latter."

for the record, it is "post-gres cue el."
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05-12-2015 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
for the record, it is "post-gres cue el."
Thank goodness. For a moment there, I was wondering if I was pronouncing it wrong all along.
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05-12-2015 , 09:08 AM
I've always said it "post gres S Q L". Shrug.
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05-12-2015 , 09:12 AM
I always just say "postgres."

I'm trying to remember when I spoke to one of the core team members recently what he said, I can't recall. I don't think he would have really cared tbh.
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05-12-2015 , 11:12 AM
I always just claimed Canadian-ism whenever someone caught me mispronouncing something. It's not like they knew if I were lying or not.
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05-12-2015 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
I always just say "postgres."

I'm trying to remember when I spoke to one of the core team members recently what he said, I can't recall. I don't think he would have really cared tbh.
This
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05-12-2015 , 12:58 PM
We did have a funny moment where I wasn't sure if he was still on the call, I asked if he was there, "Yea, Im still here listening.. doing some HTML stuff." His "HTML stuff" was publishing the 9.4 release to postgres.org.
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05-12-2015 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by iosys
The average Systems Administrator salary is $72,258.

No programming is necessary.
It's a ****ty job where you are responsible for a lot of stuff and usually on call 24/7. Pass.

I don't think sysadmins need to be good programmers and the answer posted is pretty insane. Scripting and some devops these days are fine but there's tons of admins that are really good at their job and basically only program to make their life easier (Perl scripts say hi)

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On the smartphone front: Was on a business trip the last couple of days. Google maps navigation on the watch is a pretty nifty feature. No more looking like a dumb tourist navigating around cell in hand.
Liking the watch more and more, have not pulled my cell from my pocket very much the last couple of days.
Alas...let's wait until my app is done, should be pretty useful on the watch.
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05-12-2015 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by _dave_
This isn't such a bad attempt, I'm sure there's much worse out there lol.
I once had a non-techie talk to someone who mentioned Joomla to him earlier in the day. When he got to speaking with me, he asked me if I knew what "jump law" was.

It took a while to realize what he was trying to say.
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