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10-19-2014 , 11:31 PM

#15026

jjshabado

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I'm a to each their own kind of guy but I can't imagine ever going back to a desktop for programming.

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10-20-2014 , 12:12 AM

#15027

Barrin6

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Only reason to go back to a desktop is due to costs. Now a days, it's important to be able to have a computer that you can bring anywhere, meetings, meetups, work, you name it.

I do have to agree, as a mac noobie, there are some things where it's kind of embarrassing not knowing. I am guilty of not knowing how to rename a file as well haha. Took me a while.

By the way, I just got a display adapter for my samsung 305t in addition to magic trackpad and keyboard, the mac is looking really nice. I am converting to a 90% mac user now.

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10-20-2014 , 12:25 AM

#15028

iosys

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,753

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Originally Posted by e i pi

I get that you like your laptop but don't see how you come to this conclusion.

Maybe push away from mac desktops...

If by some chance a bag of money falls out of the sky...
I may get a desktop for running multiple 4k monitors on a yacht in some beautiful area where online poker is legal.

Anyway it does depend on what you actually work on but I would be pretty surprised if someone asked me that question ^^ and actually needs such a super powerful machine or they wouldn't be confused about my conclusion.

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10-20-2014 , 08:26 AM

#15029

Shoe Lace

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Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,654

Most of the benefits seem laptop related, not mac related. I can spin up any OS I want in a VM too.

I'm down for having a laptop to bring around to places if needed but if all I'm doing is presenting something to a client, you can get a decent one for like $275.

For instance:
http://www.neweggbusiness.com/Produc...=9B-34-314-551

Are there any laptops that can support a 60hz 4k monitor as an external monitor? My next monitor will absolutely be one of those once they mature a bit more.

This one is supposedly pretty good:
http://www.neweggbusiness.com/Produc...=9B-24-260-145

Not sure I want to drop $800 on a first gen 60hz 4k monitor tho.

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10-20-2014 , 01:02 PM

#15030

iosys

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,753

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Originally Posted by Shoe Lace

I think you misunderstand why I even bothered to list the price I spent on the macbook pro. Retina display, powerful to run everything I throw at it and I multi-task with mostly everything open/running.

The new macbook pros can support 4k at 60hz since they have the upgraded thunderbolt that can handle it.

I would keep waiting on 4k monitors to price down tbh.
Why can't everything be cheap in this world

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Originally Posted by daveT

A while back, I had to do an HTML / CSS test on a Macbook. I probably spent >50% of my time trying to figure basic things like scrolling down the page and finding the scroll bar on the page. I couldn't figure out how to do any of it. It really sucked because I couldn't remember the proper CSS syntax for something, and there wasn't a single bit of code above the fold.

Although it took me way too much time to do the layout, I managed to finish and get it correct. I apologized and said that I took a while because I didn't use the web for any answers, which while true, was perhaps less embarrassing than admitting that I couldn't figure out how to use a $2000 easy-to-use machine. I also had to use Textmate or something like that. All arrow keys FTW?

Took a design class and had similar experience but worse on first day.
If only I knew to go to System Preferences->Trackpad (Animated pictures for how to use the trackpad in every way possible with customizing it).

My main gripe has to be getting used to command instead of ctrl and not worth switching the key because that will mess up vms.

Last edited by iosys; 10-20-2014 at 01:12 PM.

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10-20-2014 , 03:01 PM

#15031

KatoKrazy

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,623

My new manager called me today saying he has one more position to fill, has interviewed a bunch of people, but none of them has been qualified. He wants me to recommend someone. Is it really that hard to find a qualified applicant for what is essentially a first position out of college?

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10-20-2014 , 03:18 PM

#15032

jjshabado

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Yes.

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10-20-2014 , 03:44 PM

#15033

Shoe Lace

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I would keep waiting on 4k monitors to price down tbh.
Why can't everything be cheap in this world

I think I'd bite at $400-500 for a 60hz 4k monitor. I wonder if they can do 120hz at 1080p/1440p in case you want to downscale it for games.

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10-20-2014 , 04:23 PM

#15034

kerowo

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Having an incorrect query give right answers is very annoying to discover when it stops...

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10-20-2014 , 04:44 PM

#15035

maxtower

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Originally Posted by KatoKrazy

It isn't if you are willing to pony up the cash.

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10-20-2014 , 05:01 PM

#15036

clowntable

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Really? You don't slow double click in Windows to edit a file name? You don't use mv from the terminal? You don't right click (two finger tap or ctrl-click) on the file, select get info, open the name & extension menu then edit the file name in your OS of choice? Please.

You can't right click->rename which is what I usually do if I have no terminal open. I think the default way in OS X is just click on the file and wait a couple of seconds which wasn't super intuitive for me (but is also standard on Windows I think).

iTerm2 is an improvement already.

Today was the first time I tried to type a bunch of @ symbols...closed the program about 5 times before my brain finally settled in on the fact that alt gr location+Q is quit stuff in OS X and the at is located at the L now.

But I actually saw the most tilting thing so far...free upgrade to 10.10 nice that nice but...there were a bunch of programs (iPhoto etc.) that I couldn't update because my coworker had set up my laptop a couple of days before I started working there and aparently the free stuff that comes with OS X (iPhoto, Keynote whathaveu) are now linked to her apple ID and there is no way of changing that and I can't update them without her key.

lol just lol at the entire idea of that. I mean how am I supposed to sell a laptop, sell some program I bought? What happens to company laptops that are locked into the IDs of people that don't work there anymore? My mind was pretty much blown at the idiocy of that system.
[I uninstalled all the offending programs asap, I now have the option of buying them for 5-20ish Euros a piece...GTFO I'll use Libre Office plskthx]

tl;dr: OS X is a heap of proprietary lol-ecosystem crap and highly unintuitive. I finally remember why I tossed OS X off my powerbook back in the day. I kept hearing how great apple stuff is these days and figured I was just an oddball installing OpenBSD on it...but no I actually had my reasons it seems.

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All this aside (and it should be noted that I'm slowly getting more productive just hate the entire idea of this bastard OS) I finally managed to write a program that can go back all 7 days that are allowed and grab all tweets for a search key (yay cursors). After playing with that I'll use the streaming API in the future. already read a paper today that compared firehose to sample 1%...dunno how long it'll take because it's 180 API-calls (a 100 pages) then sleep for 15 minutes. Could be upped to 450 with App-Auth but I didn't feel like doing that before I left.
tl;dr: 1% sample sucks quite a bit and is not representative at all with one noteable exception: if you geolocate they correlate like mad. Thankfully that'll very likely be my use case so no firehose needed (I'll try to confirm this from some other sources)

Edit: What#s the name of this editor people love that used to be (or still is) OS X only? Was it Sublime Text? I might get my employer to buy that just to lessen my rage a bit (well I also got the entire Adobe suite including Photoshop and whatnot which I'll likely never use and I'm supposed to get some 500 Euro prototyping/wireframe tool that might be cool) :P

Last edited by clowntable; 10-20-2014 at 05:16 PM.

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10-20-2014 , 05:31 PM

#15037

jjshabado

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Originally Posted by clowntable

But I actually saw the most tilting thing so far...free upgrade to 10.10 nice that nice but...there were a bunch of programs (iPhoto etc.) that I couldn't update because my coworker had set up my laptop a couple of days before I started working there and aparently the free stuff that comes with OS X (iPhoto, Keynote whathaveu) are now linked to her apple ID and there is no way of changing that and I can't update them without her key.

lol just lol at the entire idea of that. I mean how am I supposed to sell a laptop, sell some program I bought? What happens to company laptops that are locked into the IDs of people that don't work there anymore? My mind was pretty much blown at the idiocy of that system.

This doesn't seem broken, imo. If you sell a laptop (or give it to a new person) you should wipe your user and the new person creates a new one.

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10-20-2014 , 05:56 PM

#15038

iosys

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clowntable you're obviously trying to destroy my stock value >.>

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10-20-2014 , 05:58 PM

#15039

KatoKrazy

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,623

I love my MacBook Pro but not being able to F2 for rename or at least right click is so tilting.

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10-20-2014 , 07:02 PM

#15040

txpstwx

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Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,239

Had the same issue with file rename after switching about 6 months ago. Just as an FYI, you can just highlight the file in finder and press return/enter.

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10-20-2014 , 08:23 PM

#15041

KatoKrazy

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,623

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Originally Posted by txpstwx

Had the same issue with file rename after switching about 6 months ago. Just as an FYI, you can just highlight the file in finder and press return/enter.

Brilliant. Learn something new everyday.

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10-20-2014 , 08:24 PM

#15042

adios

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Originally Posted by Burnss

anyone got any articles or links about how to read from RAM? i have no idea what im doing but it sounds something that would be interesting to learn how to do. I dont really know where to begin, or what language to do it in

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static int x;

void foo() {

    int y = -5;

    bool b = true;

    // y and b may actually be in registers 
    // but x is certainly in RAM.
    // in order to do the comparison x is read and it is in RAM.
    if ( x != y ) {
        b = false;
    }
}

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10-20-2014 , 08:25 PM

#15043

PJo336

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Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 22,158

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Having an incorrect query give right answers is very annoying to discover when it stops...

Ha! Literally just spent half my day on the same issue

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10-20-2014 , 11:02 PM

#15044

daveT

S.A.G.E. Master

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 23,955

clowntable, this article should make you happy: Linus Torvalds LOVES His MacBook Air.

But that's 2012, so I wanted to see if he had changed his mind: An Interview With Linus Torvalds, Creator of Linux

I used to use a MacBook Air as my laptop, because it's the right form-factor (well, close to: the correct form factor for a laptop is obviously 12" and 2 lbs, and I don't understand why everybody gets that wrong). But I got fed up with the horrible screen, so I've gone through a few trials since (including a Pixel Chromebook) and am currently enjoying a 11" Sony Vaio Pro that actually comes in at lighter than my 2 lbs target weight, and has a reasonable screen). The kids use the old Macbook Airs now.

I think he meant to say "All the cool kids use Macbooks Airs now."

FWIW, I think the Air is a good deal for the price. The specs -vs- price beats anything else I've seen on the market. Doesn't mean I can afford to buy one though.

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10-20-2014 , 11:14 PM

#15045

maxtower

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Originally Posted by daveT

FWIW, I think the Air is a good deal for the price. The specs -vs- price beats anything else I've seen on the market. Doesn't mean I can afford to buy one though.

Isn't just about every similarly speced PC ultrabook less expensive?

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10-20-2014 , 11:24 PM

#15046

daveT

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I compared the specs on the Air and the ThinkPad Carbon. After "downgrading" to Windows 7, upgrading both computers to i7, 8g RAM, and 512 SSD, the Carbon came out to a few bucks more.

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10-20-2014 , 11:30 PM

#15047

Barrin6

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Great python I learned today from my professor!

Code:

def main():
  #2nd step take user input
  blue = int(input("How many blue markers do you have?: "))
  red = int(input("How many red markers do you have?: "))
  green = int(input("How many green markers do you have?: "))
  black = int(input("How many black markers do you have?: "))

  blue = sum(blue)
  red = sum(red)
  green = sum(green)
  black = sum(black)

  #step 6, print and invoke
  print("You have %d blue marker" % blue)
  print("You have %d red marker" % red)
  print("You have %d green marker" % green)
  print("You have %d black marker" % black)
  print("You have a total of %d markers!" % (blue + red + green + black))


#step 3 declare a function to sum
def sum(blue,red,green,black):
  total = blue + red + green + black
  #step 4: return value
  return total

main()

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10-21-2014 , 01:09 AM

#15048

Xhad

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my favorite part about that code is that it shadows sum, yet the way it calls sum is incorrect for both the builtin and the custom version

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10-21-2014 , 01:15 AM

#15049

Barrin6

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Apparently the professor is going to show us how to do this.

When we asked why wouldn't we just do

Code:

total = sum(blue,red,green,black)

The professor said this and I quote

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That's doing recursive, we are not there. There are multiple ways to do this.

At that point I just gave up and asked the professor to continue and show us her way which we will find out on Wednesday.

I hope I am not crazy or maybe there is something I am missing.

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10-21-2014 , 06:46 AM

#15050

jjshabado

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Originally Posted by maxtower

Isn't just about every similarly speced PC ultrabook less expensive?

We've done this before but right after an update a Mac is usually priced about the same as an equivalent pc.

Of course there are a lot more pc options so you can find cheaper models that sacrifice something you probably don't care about.