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05-16-2016 , 10:20 AM
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05-16-2016 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Good talk. Who was that masked man?
Blindboy boatclub, one half of The Rubberbandits.
That video is his contribution to national mental illness discussion. Began with prank calls and ventured into making silly music and comedy. Humour that should be only understood in my hometown where they are from, and mock. Then somehow became popular throughout Ireland

and apparently England:
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05-16-2016 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by river_tilt

What's tricky about this problem. 50% chance of tripling, 50% chance of halving. Why would you ever think of switching?


PairTheBoard
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05-16-2016 , 07:31 PM
That trolley problem is too simplistic, mainly because there is only one trolley. There should be at least three and each trolley itself needs a certain number of passengers, and one or more of the trolleys can block/crash the other trolleys, starting on three different tracks that bifurcate downstream. That would make it more like a real world situation instead of the lackluster way presented. In other words; there would not be any real solution.

"Kill one or one hundred they can only hang you once!"

A famous line from a famous movie (possibly paraphrased a bit).
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05-16-2016 , 08:05 PM
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05-16-2016 , 09:26 PM
Screw Roger Ramjet and his blatant disregard for the First Amendment that SJW scum!
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05-17-2016 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by PairTheBoard
What's tricky about this problem. 50% chance of tripling, 50% chance of halving. Why would you ever think of switching?


PairTheBoard

You can pull the lever multiple times. It's the trolley problem version of the Collatz conjecture.
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05-17-2016 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by river_tilt
You can pull the lever multiple times. It's the trolley problem version of the Collatz conjecture.
That connection is evident immediately but i still have no clue how the game is played to be honest. The entire thing depends on all kinds of unknown distributions. What do you see, when etc. Seriously i have absolutely no idea how its is played the way they presented it. This is mostly because i refuse to assume anything that is not clear in their presentation.

What do we have really? Is there an example of exact numbers and how it was played?

Do you have 1 person vs n and other times k vs m both >1 and then it bifurcates and you can select again but what do you know when you make the first decision about all future branches?

If i at least assume that when its 1 it becomes 3+1=4 then you select the smaller between the 2 final outcomes in each branch. Eg if it was 4 vs 1 you select the 4 because only 2 will die (divided by 2) vs the alternative of going to 1 becoming 3+1 and losing all 4? Am i understanding it? (hence my ????).

Then of course it all depends on how they are distributed overall because an initially good idea may turn bad if the later branches are such that they are worse even if optimally selected than another branch sector that would have been followed if you had taken the worse first choice the first time because it gets better later on that direction of future branches...

So how can you answer anything here without knowing the distribution of numbers or the exact numbers of all in advance? I am not even sure if the example i gave above (4 vs 1) is how they meant it.
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05-17-2016 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mackeleven
Blindboy boatclub, one half of The Rubberbandits.

That video is his contribution to national mental illness discussion. Began with prank calls and ventured into making silly music and comedy. Humour that should be only understood in my hometown where they are from, and mock. Then somehow became popular throughout Ireland



and apparently England:


I'd make fun of the news with those two any day if I could.

The first video had me thinking about a comedian wearing a wrestling mask in a club for a minute. I've been getting up to my neck educating in and around the area of emotional intelligent these days. So it was both a surprise and familiar for comedy to be bookendish for a rather straight talk on the topic.
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05-17-2016 , 10:37 AM
Classic interview.

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05-17-2016 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
I've been getting up to my neck educating in and around the area of emotional intelligent these days. So it was both a surprise and familiar for comedy to be bookendish for a rather straight talk on the topic.
I believe your background or interest is in psychology/cognitive science, so I'd imagine you didn't learn too much. Personally, I think his most interesting points were that we shouldn't evaluate ourselves on an aspect of our behavior, and how we conflate failing at a task with failing as a human being.

How comparing ourselves with one another in two ways is what can lead to low self esteem. One is obvious but the other isn't; i.e. Feeling good about yourself by thinking/knowing you are better than someone else at something.

Also, why we procrastinate about the things we enjoy - the fear of failure.

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05-17-2016 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
That connection is evident immediately but i still have no clue how the game is played to be honest. The entire thing depends on all kinds of unknown distributions. What do you see, when etc. Seriously i have absolutely no idea how its is played the way they presented it. This is mostly because i refuse to assume anything that is not clear in their presentation.

What do we have really? Is there an example of exact numbers and how it was played?

Do you have 1 person vs n and other times k vs m both >1 and then it bifurcates and you can select again but what do you know when you make the first decision about all future branches?

If i at least assume that when its 1 it becomes 3+1=4 then you select the smaller between the 2 final outcomes in each branch. Eg if it was 4 vs 1 you select the 4 because only 2 will die (divided by 2) vs the alternative of going to 1 becoming 3+1 and losing all 4? Am i understanding it? (hence my ????).

Then of course it all depends on how they are distributed overall because an initially good idea may turn bad if the later branches are such that they are worse even if optimally selected than another branch sector that would have been followed if you had taken the worse first choice the first time because it gets better later on that direction of future branches...

So how can you answer anything here without knowing the distribution of numbers or the exact numbers of all in advance? I am not even sure if the example i gave above (4 vs 1) is how they meant it.
Suppose you have any information on the number of people at all, for example it is less than the 100th Busy Beaver number.

Then, if the Collatz conjecture is true, you can determine a number of lever switches which ensures the maximum number of people who die is 4 (through ensuring that the 4-2-1-4 cycle is reached).
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05-17-2016 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by river_tilt
Suppose you have any information on the number of people at all, for example it is less than the 100th Busy Beaver number.

Then, if the Collatz conjecture is true, you can determine a number of lever switches which ensures the maximum number of people who die is 4 (through ensuring that the 4-2-1-4 cycle is reached).
But in the Collatz problem you have a mapping that entirely depend on the first number. Here you have a prearranged network that we have no clue how its distributed and the passage of trolley is what changes the numbers so how is this further connected to the Collatz problem other than the 3x+1 and x/2 rule? I still have no idea what is going on here and where the bifurcations end. Is the network not preexisting and created by what?
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05-17-2016 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mackeleven
I believe your background or interest is in psychology/cognitive science, so I'd imagine you didn't learn too much. Personally, I think his most interesting points were that we shouldn't evaluate ourselves on an aspect of our behavior, and how we conflate failing at a task with failing as a human being.

How comparing ourselves with one another in two ways is what can lead to low self esteem. One is obvious but the other isn't; i.e. Feeling good about yourself by thinking/knowing you are better than someone else at something.

Also, why we procrastinate about the things we enjoy - the fear of failure.

Once told, it's a matter of opportunity and awareness. Re- telling is refreshing. Nothing compares with non-comparison. Really to enhance the utility of practical comparisons as well. Instead of comparing shoes with neighbors, which was trendy for a time when I was a kid, compare what you can do with different pairs of shoes.
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05-17-2016 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by river_tilt
This reads weird. It looks like you're allowed to just pull the lever forever and avoid hitting anyone. So that's what I'd do.

But assuming I would eventually fall asleep and could not therefore pull the lever indefinitely, I'd pull the lever as many times as possible if I knew the track was a loop, meaning the train would come back to places it had previously been several times. If the train was not on a looped track, or at least the loop was too big for it to return to the same location several times before I fell asleep, then I wouldn't touch the lever.

Edit: But if we assume each time we pull the lever it will definitely squash some unknown number of people on the next track before we can switch again, then I don't think we can risk changing tracks for fear of killing triple plus one vs half on the next track.

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05-19-2016 , 12:32 AM

Venezuela-food-shortages-cause-some-hunt-dogs-cats-pigeons


Probably not true but it makes good propaganda. I'm hoping for mass cannibalism before this is all over. A fitting end to another socialist utopia. Thirty million in Venezuela, if 15 million people get eaten for dinner that is a large bonus for an improvement in the overall destiny of humanity. Pass the barbeque sauce.
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05-19-2016 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by LASJayhawk
I got to see someone die today. I'm getting rather immune emotionally to traffic accidents. My customers didn't seem to like that I put on the motorcycle song, but I had to do what I had to do and they disobeyed me when I said "you all should probably look out the right window about now because you aren't going to like it if you look to the left."

Vegas is also killing it on number of murders this year. Might finally crack the record!
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05-19-2016 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeno

Venezuela-food-shortages-cause-some-hunt-dogs-cats-pigeons


Probably not true but it makes good propaganda. I'm hoping for mass cannibalism before this is all over. A fitting end to another socialist utopia. Thirty million in Venezuela, if 15 million people get eaten for dinner that is a large bonus for an improvement in the overall destiny of humanity. Pass the barbeque sauce.
BBQ sauce on red meat is just ****ing wrong.
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05-19-2016 , 06:04 AM
With the exception of spare ribs. (Although the sauce the Chinese restaurants make ain't the same as typical bottled BBQ sauce.) I tried to roll my own once and made a balls of it.
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05-19-2016 , 09:31 AM
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There was a big hole found in my city as well.

...They're still looking into it.
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05-19-2016 , 09:48 AM
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BBQ sauce on red meat is just ****ing wrong.
Never added any special commercial sauce on steaks (just the usual salt, pepper, oregano, wine, butter, lemon, olive oil, maybe mushrooms/onions etc depending on situation - not all of them lol). How do you cook red meat? Differences with white?
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05-19-2016 , 09:59 AM
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With the exception of spare ribs. (Although the sauce the Chinese restaurants make ain't the same as typical bottled BBQ sauce.) I tried to roll my own once and made a balls of it.
Pork ribs, yes. For some reason wasn't even thinking of those as red.
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05-19-2016 , 10:07 AM
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There was a big hole found in my city as well.

...They're still looking into it.

My family, bar my brother and I are visiting Vegas next month. We be jealous. My Dad said one of the first things he wants to is go to a range and shoot guns. We don't have such liberty here.
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05-19-2016 , 10:42 AM
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Never added any special commercial sauce on steaks (just the usual salt, pepper, oregano, wine, butter, lemon, olive oil, maybe mushrooms/onions etc depending on situation - not all of them lol). How do you cook red meat? Differences with white?
It depends. The more tender steaks should be cooked at as high of a temperature as possible for a few seconds per side. Tougher cuts, I generally cook at a super low temperature for a very long time.

I'm partial to chimichurri.
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