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Who stops some madman in these gun range places (especially in closed areas like this video with the first option where he is using seal team weapons ) from actually using the gun to kill the others around them like the person showing the gun to them and then the others nearby with some automatic gun that fires many shots fast? (like the Vegas child shooting accident where the kid killed the instructor, remember? So imagine how easier it is without the accident with a real intention to do harm).

Obviously i value knowing how to use guns for various reasons and somehow you need to be taught but the additional recreation aspect of it carries always a stupid nonsense risk in it doesnt it? What stops most people is their ethics and sanity, their self preservation and fear to lose their own life or be arrested and destroyed for life etc. But what stops someone that has finally had it and is there to end it all in style? Of course its not like we hear in the news such events all the time but for a brief period of time you really are in the hands and choices of other people around you so to speak. No thanks.

Remember https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kyle (how he died)
and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF6-UcaMSPU (plus other case with a woman killing son and herself)

Paco: Someday, I'm gonna be walking down the streets, minding my own business, and - BAM! - I'm gonna be shot by some pig who's gonna swear that it was a mistake. I accept that as a part of my destiny.



This is true everywhere.

Where is it true everywhere? Only in the no free will sense of affecting trajectory for all with your actions and their actions in yours etc but not in life death decisions typically. In the street out there people have their cars only as weapons and they are not exactly as fast in results or as efficient.

For a moment you are literally depending on the other guy not doing something insane or having a freak accident.

In other cases such as operation of trains, airplanes and eg nuclear stations or surgical operations etc you have very professional people involved with a lot to lose usually.

Think about it, when you take the greatest risks in life you usually do it with trust worthy people.

What? You are still in the US, right?

For the most part being surrounded by other well armed people is enough to keep most to find a location where people won't shoot back. The incident in Arizona (not Vegas) just shows it is stupid to give a child a fully automatic weapon.

Drag racing, sky diving, scuba all have inherent risks...

For the majority of people, driving to and from work is the most hazardous thing they do, if they use or have a personal vehicle (based on probability/statistics). This is true over most of the developed world.

Long ago, I drove thousands of miles in Mexico in my personal vehicle. One of the most exhilarating experiences I have had and much fun. Right next to climbing active volcanoes (two) which I have also done. The driving was more dangerous, whether in the US or Mexico.

There should be a required gun education/training class in all US High Schools prior to graduation. All students should be taught to shoot a .22 pistol and rifle and about gun safety. A great analogy is that sex education is a requirement, because knowledge is better than ignorance. Of course the outcry and cacophony of disgust from certain quarters would be very predictable.

You should also be issued a gun at birth from our benevolent government, to be collected once you pass your HS training.

Guns and Sex and Beer. The Holy Trinity of existence.

****, don't they got life imprisonment for stealing three pizzas in Vegas?

Ear protection.

Shooting range is a potential vulnerable spot as one leaves their 6 exposed where armed people are present. Since an armed human is one of the more potentially and actually dangerous things on earth and to other humans, it's justified to consider.

At the Clark County shooting park there is like 60 lanes. (Right now less, a family of desert foxes moved into the backstop on the 200 yard lanes so they are shut down) you might have the 6 on 3 or 4 lanes, but would be facing long odds on the others...

Your 6 is always exposed and it is unlikely that you aren't within range of someone with a weapon no matter where you are.

As far as risks go, don't be one of the two people who have been shot (one on accident) at a shooting range. If such things are the risks you feel necessary to avoid, please make sure to avoid all outdoor activities due to the risk of lightning on a sunny day and NEVER go into a bathroom because of slip-and-fall risks.

My six has my ears watching it.

Are you mistakenly assuming I consider a gun range to be a regularly unsafe place simply because potential and actual danger can be discerned from what happens at one?

Just because the risk is ridiculous, which i suggested already, it doesnt mean you are not adding to it with your choices every day. Driving is dangerous but nobody actually did an analysis how dangerous it is for the avg human vs the avg good driver that has never caused any accident and is careful for decades and who drives over 10k-15K per year. What if its 100 times less dangerous for those that drive carefully?

My point is that accidents with guns happen when you handle guns at higher rates per hour than accidents with other usual activities (but these other activities are much longer and necessary/unavoidable typically) . No point to be chasing these risks unless you are training properly among highly responsible individuals not random amateurs. Of course it is still a stupid low risk. Spending that time doing something else has even lower risk. It still isnt worth being nitty about it of course other than having a discussion of the principle. It only adds up over a lifetime if you include other choices avoided daily too. And even then its not a big difference vs a random person. If it makes your life boring it isnt worth it probably.

All extreme sports activities are also excessively risky in that sense too (in comparison per hour basis etc). In fact probably far worse than guns.

That doesnt mean that if it prevents you from being a drug addict or getting involved in crime, being depressed etc in order to get your fix, it doesnt suddenly become a healthier alternative to experience thrills and feel like you have lived a little!!! It may even lead to valuable experience that can be used as defense one day depending on how risky the area you live is and on whether you own guns personally. I agree that all citizens must have proper knowledge of guns regardless of actual ownership.

One can lead a healthy life eating better and not smoking and then add all kinds of risky activities in it and still be safer overall than some person that is careless with their daily habits but otherwise living a protected life.

This is never supposed to be a comment about which type of life is more interesting etc. A very protected life is the greatest risk of them all in some sense it seems. But it is still true what i said that you are finding yourself in a very vulnerable spot in these places that technically doesnt exist elsewhere in your daily life. Typically out in the street not only its true that very few carry guns eg here in the Bay area but even if 20% did, the guns are basically not drawn out unless something happens or you are at some high risk location to begin with. Its not like you walk outside and people have guns in their hands while saying hi to you...

This is all meant as a per minute or hour basis kind of risk discussion (rate of risk). See it that way too. Going on a space mission is probably around 1 in 50 to die. But really that 1 in 50 is mostly at 2 points, the take off and re-entry, the rest of the time is probably hundreds of times smaller.

A space walk may be less risky per minute than base jumping say. But take off and re-entry will still be worse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASE_jumping

Huh?

Masque, the point you make about shooing ranges not being for everyone is bigger than just the cases like the Kyle murder. Free choice factors in as well each way.

I think he was saying that everyone should go to the gun range because it is one of the most safe activities that you can choose.

FYP

If you quit eating you will not die of heat disease.

Just looked up top ten leading causes of death in the US. Almost all are disease/medical related. Except number four which is unintentional accidents, of which traffic accidents are the majority. And this is just deaths, no figure on injuries, disfigurement, or related disabilities due to accidents.

Once we have self-driving cars this figure should go down.

Good point of not having potential crazy (wo)men shooting at you.

Ban arms?

Private arms are unnecessary. Cars are not.

Oh, I forgot. The cultural-historical meaning of arms.

I am frequently told by Londoners visiting here that they are amazed with how friendly and considerate Americans are.

Most of them chalk it up to a combination of the Cheesecake Factory being a thing and that you never know who might be packing heat.

One of the times I was under the barrel it was from behind. I was playing Nintendo and listening to Thieves by Ministry when a masked man kicked in the door and got the drop on me. He might have almost murdered me in the course of the robbery. He saw that I glanced at his face after his mask fell down ( his mask was a plastic grocery bag) but I guess I looked down fast enough or he didn't have it in him to pull the trigger. That was a long moment. I recall many details of his face from such a short glance; small eyes, acne scars, 'junkie' hair and skin, but he was never caught for the crime.

That time when I was 20 and house-sitting went terribly awry...

I prefer my chickens to be mechanically separated.

I'm still a little astonished to this day that this was the 'soundtrack' to the armed robbery I experienced.

https://youtu.be/dLCZhQX_Fm0

Certainly makes the song uniquely memorable to me.

Cheers. I sent that to my Dad.

He sent this back:

bulletsandburgers.com/

He must have been sold on the alliteration and the extra threat involved.