I guess I should clarify. Lebron's effort was superhuman. I've never seen a player attempt to take on as much as Lebron attempted to take on in that series. But it was like watching one of those absurd strongman contests where each contestant has to pick up a huge boulder and carry it 20 meters. People got excited because Lebron got the boulder off the ground, and maybe no one else could even have done that much, but he was never any real threat to get the boulder across the line. It was just too heavy.

FWIW, I think that if the Cavs meet the Warriors in the finals this year, their true odds of winning are a lot better than their true odds were last year after winning game 2 in GS.

K by that same logic jr smith had a historically poor performance in the finals. If he would have even been career average game 2 would not have been close

Shot 29% from 3 in the finals. Career 37.5%

Do you see why this is dumb?

Or how about if James jones didn't get 22+ minutes in game 2 it would have been even closer

That "what if" "variance" logic is so incredibly flawed. None of it matters

just want to say, this is ****ing insane.


WHAT

This is lol reasoning. First off Frye was on a bad team and hat was focused on developing it's young talent and was not interested in getting Frye good looks.

Regardless, I wasn't saying Frye was a dray stopper, just that he can hold his own and will draw green away from the basket to open things up. And his length will get rebounds and close out on drays 3s.

Utter bs travel call on moz dunk from being up 3 0 too

The NBA determined there was nothing to see there.

Move along.

Come on.

Depending on the lineup, Draymond may not even guard Frye. And Frye has never been a good rebounder or rim protector, especially for a guy who is 6-11.

And have you seen how teams defend the Warriors? They never run Draymond off the 3 pt line. Hell, they barely make any attempt to close out half the time. Letting Draymond shoot 3s is a wayyyy better defensive strategy than running hard at him or overplaying him on the perimeter. That's a recipe for increasing the number of 3s from better shooters like Klay and Curry.

I'm not knocking the Cavs. I think that they are playing great and have a good bit of equity against Warriors, but that has **** all to do with Channing Frye.

Seriously. This is incredible. I can't believe that I had never read about these details.

I disagree. It is a pretty big deal to be able to play Channing Frye over James Jones and Mike Miller like they did last year.

Never thought I'd see the day that Channing Frye becomes the savior for the Cavs

They only had to play James Jones 18 MPG because Kevin Love was injured.

What planet have I landed on because as far as I know Channing Frye for 95% of his career has sucked cock

We talking about Frye, not an actual difference maker, we talking about Frye!

In 2009-2010 when he was playing with Nash he shot 43.9 percent from 3 point over 392 shots.

In 2014-2015 Klay Thompson shot his highest from 3 point for the year at 43.9 percent, over 545 3 pointers.

Yeah maybe. I think that Frye will get meaningful minutes is my main thought. You can shift a series by giving 1 good quarter, 1 good minute, 1 good play can be the difference between being a champion or finishing second

Seriously. I give up. This is Channing Frye we are talking about. He has a reasonably effective, albeit one dimensional, offensive game. He is an unremarkable defender. He is useful to the Cavs, but he is not the main reason why the Cavs have good equity against the Warriors.

Speights and Livingston give the Warriors useful minutes most of the time, but they aren't the key either.

This is the moral equivalent of "every vote counts". Sure it does, and the election could be decided by one vote. But it doesn't follow that Channing Frye is the key to the series. If Lebron, Love, and Kyrie don't play well, then the Cavs will lose, even if Channing Frye doesn't miss a shot the entire series.

And the same is true of Speights. It's nice when he plays well, but it's cold comfort if Curry and Klay are sucking.

Who is saying Channing Frye is key? It is important that everyone gives good minutes. If you want to focus on how only the stars play and make that the main theme in your head, go for it. Does not diminish that role players have a huge influence in deciding series

Channing Frye's 3 pt percentage while playing on teams with Nash was no better than his 3 pt percentage playing on teams w/o Nash. That year just happened to be Frye's high water mark.

Now Channing Frye is Robert Horry?

That's what I'm saying. He hit a couple 3s against garbage teams and now it's DRAYMOND'S MET HIS MATCH!!!

lol Warriors fans talking to each other "Frye is not good! You're right, Frye isn't good!", great convo guys.

Frye doesn't need to be amazing to be way better than what the Cavs had last year, and he can hit open 3's.

I don't know. They were amazing last year. They won 2 games against a historically elite team. I can't see Frye improving upon that.

Channing Frye dominating this POR/GSW thread more than he's ever dominated an opponent on the court.

i mean, if we want to discuss the cavs chances that's fine. not like they are drawing dead. lol at citing channing frye as the reason