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05-31-2016 , 01:11 PM
I very much disagree with Russ playing better than Curry in this series. I think they both pretty much played like you'd expect them to but to each their opinion
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05-31-2016 , 01:13 PM
I agree with the latter part of that post
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05-31-2016 , 01:17 PM
If they switch teams that is edge to GS to me.

Curry is the best scorer in the game but his supporting cast and how they make the game so much easier for him gets underrated sometimes.
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05-31-2016 , 01:19 PM
^ LOL whatatatatevfhb werhlerehb

Curry makes the game easier for everyone else
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05-31-2016 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
If they switch teams that is edge to GS to me.

Curry is the best scorer in the game but his supporting cast and how they make the game so much easier for him gets underrated sometimes.
Goes both ways though, Steph makes the game a lot easier for his teammates as well.
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05-31-2016 , 01:22 PM
Nobody said he didn't but so does Russ, we're debating in that context.

They switch teams and who does OKC hide Curry on? No Roberson's in GS starting lineup.

He gets to focus on his strengths and his weaknesses get hidden on GS.
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05-31-2016 , 01:23 PM
Curry was able to allow his team to outscore their opponents while he was on the bench.
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05-31-2016 , 01:25 PM
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05-31-2016 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Nobody said he didn't but so does Russ, we're debating in that context.

They switch teams and who does OKC hide Curry on? No Roberson's in GS starting lineup.

He gets to focus on his strengths and his weaknesses get hidden on GS.
Barnes.

I don't disagree with your point entirely. Steph certainly is in the perfect situation team construction and coaching wise. Just don't think that should be overblown, he's really ****ing good.
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05-31-2016 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Fallen Hero
I think Westbrook was clearly better than Curry for most of the series, perceptions are skewed because of how it ended. And because Curry is obviously a better player
Yeah this.

And while "Curry makes the game easier for others is a thing", it's less of a thing when you're run off the floor in multiple games.

Curry was obv better the last two games.
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05-31-2016 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
Just want to remind the more open minded Westbrook haters that this is the kind of stuff that you have on your side
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05-31-2016 , 01:36 PM
Russ' low FG% is especially important in high leverage situations, Steph hits shots then Russ goes down and misses a floater into 2 people and doesn't get the bailout call, happened quite a bit in this series
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05-31-2016 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by GeoffRas22
Barnes.

I don't disagree with your point entirely. Steph certainly is in the perfect situation team construction and coaching wise. Just don't think that should be overblown, he's really ****ing good.
yeah Curry on Barnes seems brutal. Or if Barnes sits for Iggy then Iggy, that is rough as well.

Roberson was killing him on the glass.

I'm not saying he isn't a great player, I think for GS having rebounding/defending/passing covered with the other players that he is the perfect fit but I'm a little leery that in 20 years I'm going to have to tell people that LeBron was better than Curry...
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05-31-2016 , 01:55 PM
As amazing as Russ is I'm always terrified when he goes into hero ball mode.
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05-31-2016 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
That video of Russ's defense is pretty shocking. I guess that I always thought of him as a high effort defender who gambled too much, but some of this effort is Hardenesque.
He does put in high effort with on-ball defense. His problem is off the ball.

He constantly gets lost on switches, in transition, on broken plays, etc. I was posting about it in the thread last night. There were a couple plays where he lost his man and legit just decided to chill rather than find anyone to guard.
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05-31-2016 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
Yeah this.

And while "Curry makes the game easier for others is a thing", it's less of a thing when you're run off the floor in multiple games.

Curry was obv better the last two games.
On aggregate their offensive contributions were similar. Curry outplayed RWB in 4 of the 7 games (2, 5-7) but he got roflstomped in 2 of the other 3. The beatdowns skew their relative contributions though. Westbrook also sneakily had a shaky series defensively. In before "he doesn't have to be hidden." Maybe he should be. Gambled too much on the ball and got lost off it

Edit: got off track here, but point is that the aggregate doesn't appropriately demonstrate the game to game results here for obv reasons. Pretty basic statistics. Not saying Curry outplayed RWB by a mile either. This does not even get into play during high leverage scenarios within specific games either
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05-31-2016 , 02:04 PM
Not that great of a shooter or defender or bball IQ yet he still has a profoundly positive impact on his team's abilities to score and prevent points. In fact, one of the best of all time at that. All HEART and WIM and SUPER MARIO STAR MODE, how you can't love him I don't get it.
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05-31-2016 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tarheeljks
On aggregate their contributions were similar. Curry outplayed RWB in 4 of the 7 games (2, 5-7) but he got roflstomped in 2 of the other 3. The beatdowns skew their relative contributions though. Westbrook also sneakily had a shaky series defensively. In before "he doesn't have to be hidden." Maybe he should be. Gambled too much on the ball and got lost off it

Edit: got off track here, but point is that the aggregate doesn't appropriately demonstrate the game to game results here for obv reasons. Pretty basic statistics. Not saying Curry outplayed RWB by a mile either
Hiding Russ is the problem though because he has issues off-ball, and the Warriors have just the team to take advantage of is because their shooters create immense pressure sans ball. Not only are they excellent at navigating screens for the open three, but they punish overplays with excellent cuts.

It'll be interesting to see how Smiff does on Klay or Steph. I've always said he's great off ball, and I guess we'll find out.

That video of Russ is depressing.
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05-31-2016 , 02:07 PM
Klay kept them from getting got, if steph never existed he'd be the top 3 point threat in the league. When you have to worry about two guys like that I think everyone has it a bit easier
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05-31-2016 , 02:13 PM
If you can't handle Russ at his Worstbrook, you don't deserve Russ at his Bestbrook.
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05-31-2016 , 02:37 PM
OKC needed JR SMIFF and not dion fatters
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05-31-2016 , 02:56 PM
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since when does DeRozan play for OKC?
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05-31-2016 , 06:04 PM
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Yeah this is true, the number of tough 3s GS made with a hand in their face was insane. Nothing OKC could do about that.

I think Curry and Klay are changing how the game is played. Making 42% of 3 pointers is like shooting 63% from the field on 2-point shots. Other teams have to adapt and start launching (and making) threes at a similar rate if they want to keep up.

Roberson passing on that wide open 3 was unforgivable and an example of something you'd never see Steph or Klay do no matter how bad they were shooting.
AFAIK shooting 42% from three is actually way better than 63% from 2 because you not only have more misses to rebound, but also rebound a substantially higher percentage of them.

Although I think rebounds > inbounds in terms of EV for opponents next offensive possession
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05-31-2016 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Fallen Hero
fatigue probably played a very large roll, Durant was amazing on D for most of the series and then got destroyed for most of this game. Which brings up (again) the discussion about how many minutes these stars should be playing,clearly this was a little bit too much for a 7 game series, but it was almost enough to allow them to win it. Being a coach is really hard
Durant and Westbrook played a ton of minutes but was their best chance to win. As most of the games OKC was able to build leads late in 3rd quarter into 4th quarter by keeping in one, and may times both, Durant and Westbrook while Curry, Klay, and Draymond sat. Durant and Wesbrook against the backups is a scary gamble on Kerr's part. This was a mistake imo by kerr. He should never have both Klay and Steph out at the same time especially for any extended time. Kerr sits Steph way too long on top of that. He leaves late or end of 3rd and doesn't come back in until sometimes with only 7 minutes left. That's like almost half the 4th quarter when the game can be in the balance.
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05-31-2016 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Cinarocket
I very much disagree with Russ playing better than Curry in this series. I think they both pretty much played like you'd expect them to but to each their opinion
Westbrook was clearly playing better early in the series as he was playing better than everyone. But the tail end of that series Westbrook didn't seem to play anywhere near as well as he played early. Steph was playing below average compared to his normal play but came on strong at the end. Klay mvp of the series.
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