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2010 Kobe........ 21 PER..... 4.1 BPM
2010 Wade....... 28 PER..... 9.2 BPM
* Wade was #2 across the board in 2010 (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP), aka the #2 producer in the league
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Don't forget getting swept by Dallas in 2011.
Yep, unbeatable.
Kobe was obviously past his prime in 2010 or 2011 - Wade was far better in those years
But even though Kobe was past his prime, he still outplayed Lebron against the same comp in those years (10' Celtics, 11' Mavs), just like he outplayed Lebron against the same comp in 08' (08' Celtics) and destroyed the 08' Spurs, while Lebron was locked up and swept in 07'.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SABR42
Don't forget getting swept by Dallas in 2011.
Yep, unbeatable.
Prime Kobe mostly won with 1 star teammate, while prime Lebron needed an extra star and mostly lost.
Kobe mostly won with a "normal" cast of 1 franchise player and a secondary producer at sidekick, while Lebron mostly lost with multiple franchise players as teammates.. He achieved superior casts than the traditional 1 franchise player model by teaming up with
multiple opposing franchise players via "decision" or heist (AD).
History shows that organic winners like Jokic, Curry, Kobe, MJ and Giannis achieved organic juggernauts by Year 7 with "normal" casts that included 1 franchise player and a secondary-producing, non-franchise sidekick like Klay, Middleton, Pippen, Pau or Murray.. Lebron was on this track in 2010 but gave up on the chemistry learning curve (organic) and opted for all-star team strategy thereafter (talent-based winning).. So he never really learned how to win (chemistry, organic) and only learned how to team-hop (talent-based winning)..
Lebron's inability to develop great chemistry is skillset-based.. i.e. lack of expert jumpshooting skill and instinct to play off teammates (off-ball) yields an abnormal reliance on ball-dominance for his size/position - this ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (can't win organically).. Indeed, his teammates see lower assists and higher assisted rate (play-finishing) alongside Lebron, so it's statistical fact that Lebron's ball-dominant style turns teammates into spot-up shooter.
Last edited by fallguy; 04-25-2024 at 12:10 AM.