if this guy can stay healthy until early-mid 30s hes probably the GOAT, but at 7'5" thats pretty unlikely

mid 30s? he probably wont stay healthy until 23

Found that scary bear LeBron beat up

I’m a fan of Taylor in general and while some of his methodology has some flaws I think relatively speaking it’s quite good. His all-time ranking metrics are a bit different than most and I’m sure you’ve mentioned this previously but his alltime ranks are based on championship value added and Durant in the #20 range is not unreasonable based on that.

I think if we go off peaks he’s higher and if we go with a “build a 5 man lineup” rather than an all time draft picking guys you could make an even better case for him as being paired with Curry/Bron would be superior to him has the alpha star.

And this is why Lebron is clearly the GOAT - no one in the history of the game was asked to do more and delivered. Keep in mind that this is Curry's age 34 season. Lebron won a title as the best player and was 2nd in MVP voting in his age 35 season, while missing just 4 regular season games. The last time Curry missed 8 or fewer regular season games was 16-17, his age 28 season. Lebron's played almost twice as many minutes in the NBA as Curry at this point.

Also MJ during his age 38 season wasn't just worse than Lebron at 38 - he was worse than some of his own peers. 2001-2002 BPM ranking for players 38 or older:

1. John Stockton (age 39): 5.3 BPM, 2566 MP
2. Karl Malone (age 38): 3.7 BPM, 3040 MP
3. Michael Jordan (age 38): 3.1 BPM, 2093 MP
4. Terry Porter (age 38): 1.7 BPM, 1294 MP
5. Hakeem Olajuwon (age 39): -0.4 BPM, 1378 MP
6. Johnny Newman (age 38): -2.6 BPM, 724 MP
7. Kevin Willis (age 39): -3.0 BPM, 865 MP
8. Patrick Ewing (age 39): -3.1 BPM, 901 MP
9. Sam Mitchell (age 38): -3.8 BPM, 726 MP
10. Charles Oakley (age 38): -5.1 BPM, 1383 MP

2022-2023 BPM ranking for players 38 or older:

1. Lebron James (Age 38): 6.1 BPM, 1954 MP
2. Andre Iguodala (Age 39): -2.8 BPM, 113 MP
3. Udonis Haslem (Age 42): -12.1 BPM, 71 MP

In other words, in MJ's age 38 season, he was one of 10 players that were playing regular minutes aged 38 or older and was 3rd in BPM. This season, Lebron was the only player his age or older playing regular minutes

That last stat is amazing. Also of note that Lebron beats everyone in both groups for the rate stat, although Stockton and Malone crushed at still putting in the volume.

Stockton pretty damn underrated historically.

twog being back talking about ball movement reminded me of this again:

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/1989/04...riple-doubles/

And I've already summarized this whole ball movement makes MJ better nonsense here:

He's basically Michelle Wie. Awesome tools, not gonna happen in a big way as anticipated and dreamed about.

I'll tweak that to a combination of Michelle Wie, Yao Ming, Zion Williamson, Chris Washburn. Jamarcus Russell, Tony Mandarich, etc.

New data:

LeBron with his 19th All NBA Selection from his 20 seasons.

Duncan, Kobe and Kareem joint 2nd with 15

Playoff Lebron still seems to be a thing despite all that mileage and the foot injury. In terms of evaluating Lebron, it's important to understand that he can't give 100% all the time because he's good at too many things - his overall production is limited by the fact that he doesn't have unlimited stamina, which is why his overall production is still reasonably comparable to other all time greats. But in the playoffs, the fact that Lebron is simultaneously the most versatile scorer ever, one of the most complete playmakers ever and one of the versatile defensive players ever, simultaneously gives Lebron's teams more options, while limiting their opponents'. Most people don't seem to understand the value of optionality.

Peak Lebron probably could've been a legitimate MVP-caliber player (in terms of true impact) while scoring around 12-15 points per game, by simply putting all of the energy on defense, rebounding and being a secondary/tertiary playmaker, while only ever scoring on layups, dunks and wide open 3's. In fact it's easy to construct many versions of Lebron, each only being capable of far less than what actual peak Lebron was capable of, and yet being able to play at an MVP-level. For instance, if Lebron never had the advanced passing skills and the incredible court vision that made him one of the best passers in NBA history and was more like a standard wing in that regard, he'd have scored quite a bit more in his career and would've led the league in scoring many more times. A lot of casuals would probably rate that version of Lebron higher than the actual Lebron.

Gotta give it to bron in this series, playing like the 2nd best player oat

He's played well but he's clearly lost a few steps.

Don't worry.

If LeBron loses this post season the morans will be back here gloating about how year 20 and 38 year old LeBron couldn't get it done.

Meanwhile Year 13 Jordan at 35 got it done! They will never compare age 38 Jordan to 38 Bron.

The goat posts will change.

Give it up?


What the hell was age 38 jordan capable of?



A 38 year old bran can still GOAT it up. Maybe you fools need to redo your number 1 ranking.

2023 bro, surely I dont need to tell you the advances in science over the last 20 years?

Massive narcissism, talent, a no defence league and the most refined roids and programs known to man equals very high performance into older age, who knew?

Jordan in this era would have destroyed even harder imo

How many ****ing times are we going to get this counterfactual nonsense from Jordan-stans, who are completely ignorant about sports history? Lebron's longevity is even more impressive if you adjust it for era:

Massive narcissism.....

His hall of fame speech shitting on all his coaches and teammates?

Jordan's apparent last dance documentary about 1998 season but somehow manages to bring 1994 season to crap on Pippen?

Punching Kerr in the face because Kerr told Jordan to go **** himself after Jordan bullied Kerr?

Ending his friendship with Charles Barkley because Charles rightfully criticized him for being an awful owner.

Lmfao. Narcissism.


Now his fan base will rewrite history and make 38 year old Jordan another mystique MVP level player in today's game.

It was about every season from 1984 to 1998.

Candyblah

Of course scrubs dont have the narcissism level of Lebald or the talent in most cases, this is a big reason why they fizzled out early or didnt have the hunger to keep up their super-modern hormone schedules

You remind me of an obtuse Lebron sack-licking TWog with your red herring 'muh evidence' posts.

Tien

Nobody said Jordan was not a massive narc... This is one of the traits they both share and why they are numbers 1 and 2 in their fields. That was my point, with Leb's generational talent and narcissism coupled with modern tech, its expected he should perform at a high level till hes 40

His massive ego almost guarantees it..

Also if someone says Le'ego is not narcissistic, 2 words. The Decision

In other words, you have no ****ing idea what you're talking about and concede that indeed, the gap in longevity between MJ and Lebron is larger once you adjust for context, given that MJ's peers have aged much better than Lebron's peers. Actually I'm not 100% sure that you were even able to process that. You don't sound particularly capable in that regard.

I am curious if you're this bad at processing information in real life or just on the internet.

Edit: I guess MJ was just a scrub that didn't have the hunger or the talent of John Stockton or Karl Malone that's why MJ wasn't as good as them at age 38.

Candyblah the insufferable cherrypicking lesacklicker strikes again...

I do enjoy reading your delusional wanting posts though, adds to the glorious aids of this thread