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11-22-2016 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by wazzu24
the selection is fine, we're in a bind and need a coach for 1.5 years, why not Arena in this spot?
This. Right the ship .. get qualified .. evaluate after WC Russia.
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11-22-2016 , 03:47 PM
Because I am already in my mid 30s and don't particularly care to waste another 1.5 years of my life on a coach who brings more of the same.
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11-22-2016 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by loosekanen
Because I am already in my mid 30s and don't particularly care to waste another 1.5 years of my life on a coach who brings more of the same.
Maybe it's not the coach but the talent. Do you expect to see the U.S. in a WC semis in your life? I wouldn't think that's realistic when you look at the great footballing nations in Europe and S. America.
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11-22-2016 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
Maybe it's not the coach but the talent. Do you expect to see the U.S. in a WC semis in your life? I wouldn't think that's realistic when you look at the great footballing nations in Europe and S. America.
I am 26 and I 100% expect this. In fact I would bet at 1:1 that we make the finals in the next 40 years(wouldnt actually bet since long term bets are stupid ldo)
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11-22-2016 , 04:17 PM
I agree w/ custer. I have another 15ish world cups left in me. I think we are a healthy favorite to be in a semi over that time frame.
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11-22-2016 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CCuster_911
I am 26 and I 100% expect this. In fact I would bet at 1:1 that we make the finals in the next 40 years(wouldnt actually bet since long term bets are stupid ldo)
That's what people thought after the 1994 WC. That was 22 years ago and we aren't any closer.
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11-22-2016 , 04:34 PM
Like the optimism fellas, but I think your red, white, and blue glasses are clouding your judgement. I don't see us really ever catching up with the Euro and S. American elites. It's just not in our DNA.

Over the next 40 years, I'd put the chance at 10% - 15%. Hell, we might not even qualify for the next one. Can't get out of the group if you're not in a group.
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11-22-2016 , 04:40 PM
saying we're going to catch up with euro and south america elites is like saying they might catch up to us in baseball or hoops. Sure, they and us might win a game here or there, but to think we'd be equal...
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11-22-2016 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem
saying we're going to catch up with euro and south america elites is like saying they might catch up to us in baseball or hoops. Sure, they and us might win a game here or there, but to think we'd be equal...
exactly, that's my point
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11-22-2016 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
Like the optimism fellas, but I think your red, white, and blue glasses are clouding your judgement. I don't see us really ever catching up with the Euro and S. American elites. It's just not in our DNA.

Over the next 40 years, I'd put the chance at 10% - 15%. Hell, we might not even qualify for the next one. Can't get out of the group if you're not in a group.
Catching up w/ the world's elite DOES NOT EQUAL making it to one WC semi in the next 60 years.
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11-22-2016 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
Like the optimism fellas, but I think your red, white, and blue glasses are clouding your judgement. I don't see us really ever catching up with the Euro and S. American elites. It's just not in our DNA.

Over the next 40 years, I'd put the chance at 10% - 15%. Hell, we might not even qualify for the next one. Can't get out of the group if you're not in a group.
Nobody said US was ever catching up to any of those teams. All is takes to make the semis is to luckbox a goal or penalty shootout in two knockout games. uS was close to doing that in 2002, plenty of non elite teams have made it that far.
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11-22-2016 , 05:00 PM
Custer said 1:1 to make a FINAL in 10 tries. Wayyy different than making a semi in 15 obviously
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11-22-2016 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Catching up w/ the world's elite DOES NOT EQUAL making it to one WC semi in the next 60 years.
Really? Thanks for pointing out the obvious genious.
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11-22-2016 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellmuth was right
Nobody said US was ever catching up to any of those teams. All is takes to make the semis is to luckbox a goal or penalty shootout in two knockout games. uS was close to doing that in 2002, plenty of non elite teams have made it that far.
I get it. The USA was "close". Other ****ty teams have done it. Yada yada. I feel the Yanks are a long shot over the next 40 years. Others don't.
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11-22-2016 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
Really? Thanks for pointing out the obvious genious.
Easy on the name calling, sir.

P.S. Please leave my friend the straw-man alone.
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11-22-2016 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Easy on the name calling, sir.

P.S. Please leave my friend the straw-man alone.
Do you need a safe space?

Also, where did you get 60 years from anyway? Just increase the length by 50% and hope nobody notices.
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11-22-2016 , 05:36 PM
Short term, this team right now wins more games with Bruce Arena as HC than Jurgen Klinsmann. That seems almost obvious.

Long term, obviously, who knows whether it's good for the program or not; it really depends on who ends up as technical director. That will determine the long term future of the program, not Bruce Arena.
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11-22-2016 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
Maybe it's not the coach but the talent. Do you expect to see the U.S. in a WC semis in your life? I wouldn't think that's realistic when you look at the great footballing nations in Europe and S. America.
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I agree w/ custer. I have another 15ish world cups left in me. I think we are a healthy favorite to be in a semi over that time frame.
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Originally Posted by ligastar
Do you need a safe space?

Also, where did you get 60 years from anyway? Just increase the length by 50% and hope nobody notices.
haha I was kidding about the name calling hurting.

I got the 60 years from ligastar asking, "Do you expect to see the U.S. in a WC semis in your life?" and I would say I am a favorite to live another 60 years.
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11-22-2016 , 05:45 PM
Klinsman with a top notch classy good bye video on fscebook.

His efforts to keep connected to fans via those chats were pretty awesome.
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11-22-2016 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem
saying we're going to catch up with euro and south america elites is like saying they might catch up to us in baseball or hoops. Sure, they and us might win a game here or there, but to think we'd be equal...
Already been said but another USAno1 world cup would fix this in an instant.
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11-22-2016 , 11:21 PM
arena is fine as a Band-Aid. wonder if he'll add Landon Donovan to the team?
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11-23-2016 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
Maybe it's not the coach but the talent. Do you expect to see the U.S. in a WC semis in your life? I wouldn't think that's realistic when you look at the great footballing nations in Europe and S. America.
This kind of misrepresents my point. I know our talent level isn't great.

My point is that I have seen Bruce Arena's USA. I grew up on Bruce Arena's USA. Jan Koller was a thing many of you didn't have to experience apparently. This is not a positive move neither for the short nor long term.
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11-23-2016 , 10:09 AM
I think people overestimate the need for a strong footballing pedigree.

Look at belguim. Didnt qualify for the wc in 2006 and 2010 and then came is as one of the top teams in 2014.

Look at the netherlands. 2nd, 3rd then not even qualifying for euros.

Obviously qualifying is much harder in europe, but that sort of helps my point. We are always going to have an easy road to the world cup, a favorable talent cycle and some good/lucky matchups and boom we make a run

Talent goes in cycles. All we need is for some stars to align
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11-23-2016 , 11:18 AM
Belgium got to the QFs then faced an elite S. American team and was eliminated (much like the U.S. in 2002 when they faced an elite Euro team in the QFs and lost). The thing is, these inferior teams don't find "good/lucky matchups" against the Brazils and Frances of the world. Can they beat the elite Euro/S. American powerhouse in a one-off WC QF match-up? Sure, but it's unlikely.

In the next 10 WCs the U.S. has what 1 or 2 QF matches. I still believe the U.S. is a sizable dog to play in a WC SF in one of the next 10 WCs.

Not sure why the Netherlands is being brought up. Their WC pedigree is sick. If it's to show how deep/talented Euro football is, then yes I agree with that point (hell, Greece has won a Euro this century) . The U.S. doesn't even qualify for a WC if it were a European country.

Regarding a strong footballing pedigree, the majority of Euro players are playing in Euro leagues. Stronger leagues. Stronger competition. Stronger trainers. Stronger training. Stronger football in every measurable facet. This translates to stronger national teams across the board.

Last edited by ligastar; 11-23-2016 at 11:31 AM.
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11-23-2016 , 12:34 PM
I shouldn't say the U.S. doesn't qualify for a WC if it were a UEFA country. Qualify for 1/3 or 2/5 WCs, or so.
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