People hanging their hat on that England result is everything that is wrong with this fan base and also exactly why Gregg played for it despite burning all our resources and any sliver of hope of advancing past the Ro16 in the process. It's mind numbing to hear people point to that result. We've also drawn England before, in a group we actually topped

a tip of the cap to the players, GGG, and his staff on a successful WC 2022



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Yes having a young team that can only get better is a big positive, if yanklandians want to take blind homerism to the point of unquestioning faith in obviously sub par management then lol them.

Ligastar, you really can do better than this.

to be clear, i want GGG replaced. hoping the USMNT lands a game changer!

LOL using The Athletic and the USMNT's beat writers to justify the World Cup being a success.

And I agree, there were positives in this World Cup. We have an incredible talent pool for the first time in USMNT history and that quality showed at times. Our manager held us back and that is what we are pointing out in this thread. This needs to change for 2026, unless the people like you and Scotch are just happy with Ro16 exits every year bc we "aren't a top 8 team itw"

There is also a huge difference between a positive WC and a successful WC. This was not a successful World Cup by any means

Great

Now I would like you to explain how LVG was praising GGG by pointing out that he didn't adapt to anything Netherlands did.

The potential is real, but right now they don't have the talent and skill individually to beat a Netherlands unless everything falls perfectly in place and they get a bit lucky. Compare their back two to Ake and Van Dijk. It's just not close. Those sorts of limitations limit severely the tactical options. They can't do x or y because they would get run over. They have a second rate manager, sure, but it's hard to say what he could do better with this bunch. They have a decent second tier striker and very few players that are technical on the ball. They can't play like Spain they just don't have the skill to do all those one touch passes or the tactical awareness to get to the right spots on time. They have to play a different way.


But none of this is news to anyone. Just look at their roster. One doesn't expect them to go as far as Morocco or Japan. They don't have as much talent.

You are talking about football games like they are completely binary lose/win and the best side automatically arrives at win.

Obviously that is not the case and outcome is a linear probability.

USA has never had a higher base chance created via the squad than it has now.

However that base chance was clearly impacted negatively by coaching decisions over the course of the tournament.

We basically agree just say it differently. I think berkhalter is mediocre, like his players, with 1980s tactics, but there's also not much he can do because his team is what it is. Could they have schemed better on defense against Netherlands? Not so clear with what they've got in back.

i can't help you out with your reading comprehension skills LFC

that's something that should've been ironed out in your formative years

So you've got nothing? Got it

itt the World Cup was a success bc we drew England (our most meaningless result of the entire WC) and showed we can play with them

also itt Netherlands are just better than us and it's unreasonable to think we should be competing with them

Thread has gone full Berhalter

+350 SE points

Honestly, you remind me of an ex football player that I used to know in New Jersey that probably wasn’t the smartest guy to begin with but had like ten concussions. You couldn’t really have a real conversation and he’d be blaming certain politicians for basically everything. A screw was loose, and it wasn’t worth engaging with.

You have been an insufferable t-wat in this thread since Day 1 of qualifying. Non stop rants against Berhalter and MLS.

Smart pragmatic people knew that in our current situation we were never getting a top flight coach and yes, given our roster situation we had to play at least some MLS players. None of us are “defending berhalter to the core!” or “love MLS and can’t want to wait to watch potential usmnt talent!”.

Those are things you always like to say and it’s what makes you a tool

And now we all hope to get a better coach, but adults can appreciate the service Berhalter put in, and how this team is in a pretty damn good position heading into 2026

Alot of good has happened since the disaster back in 2018. Nations League win, Gold Cup win, regularly beat Mexico, Qualified WC, Advanced to Knockout, world views us a little differently and as legit threat in '26

Key Players grew and matured, remember that W. McKennie incident where Berhalter sent home and some opined it was a huge mistake?, well it sure seems that ever since then he has been much better for both club and country

To put it succinctly, the job got done

What anger do you have in real life that you need to get a bizarre personal attack out of your system with every post? It's very telling

Your revisionist history is impressive.

The fact you are unable to have any intelligent discussion about this teams and its shortcomings and what needs to be improved upon to better this result in 2026 speaks volumes about you and makes your little insult rants make all the sense in the world.

This team got where they are in spite of Berhalter not because of him. He's an awful manager. Qualifying, Wales 2nd half, Iran 2nd half and worst and most egregious of all playing everyone to play for a tie against England are all great examples of that.

You dont piss away world cup cycles just because. Nothing is guaranteed going forward. We can get an actual hard group. Players could be injured etc..

The results in this tournament were average and about what was expected. There were very encouraging performances. The tactics, substations and ability to adapt and adjust were awful.

One of these guys used to post as matt on the MJ v lebron thread, no?

Omg itt we are now citing C team gold cup wins. And lol Nations League wins!

2 pages ago we weren't a top 8 team. Now we are a legit threat!

Smh we've gone full cruizn itt

It's quite clear many others feel the same exact way about you, and you keep on using "we" in your language but no one else in this thread is even in your area code when it comes to being a lunatic. It's basically just you by yourself, in case you haven't realized that yet. None of my comments are born out of anger, more so a little boredom, and seemed like perfect time to clear the air on all of this. I've enjoyed the exchange.

Revisionist history? You said both of those things in last 24 hours.

No one pissed away a World Cup cycle , what in the world are you talking about? What coach do you think would have taken the job, that would have given us a chance to win? Yeah we have "a few dudes from Chelsea, Juve, and Dortmund", but ya know so do other teams (lol), we didn't even have a puncher's chance no matter who coached, and the adults in the room realize the job was not that enticing to anyone great.

We did, however, piss away a world cup cycle in 2018, but thanks to the efforts of Gregg, his staff, and players, that did not repeat in 2022.

Which things that I've said do you have a particular problem with?

If you've been on board with MLS guys not being good enough then a simple yea you're right it would have been fine and you can move on. What exactly are you attacking me for?

Are Gold Cup wins with B/C hybrid teams and Nation Leagues wins really a measure of success now?

Your Cheslea Dortmund dudes line that you keep parroting has been explained 50x by now. It's like talking to a wall.

I'd be happy with about 90% of the NT managers in the World Cup over Gregg. Forgive me for not seeing .500 with the Columbus Crew as an adequate or inspiring measure to manage our golden generation.

If Gregg's tenure has been such a success why do you want him fired? I'm confident this group can deliver more Gold Cup victories and Ro16 successes regardless who the manager is

As far as "we" it's pretty much just you and ligastar inventing things I said without really stating why you disagree with them while spending the better part of your post getting a lot of personal frustration out and spewing bizarre insults and parroting lines that have been explained to you countless times

Comparing the 2018 cycle to 2022 is next level ignorant stuff. To be clear you were happy with simply qualifying with this group bc it was an improvement on 2018? Anything else was gravy?

if Cherundolo is ready, I'm down with him. Only played Europe, learned to manage in Europe for 7 years, instantly crushed MLS. It's going to be American, nobody has ever won the WC with a foreign coach. Let's get it.

That post is for normal people, not you. You really must have some type of brain damage thing going on