You can arguably say there a 4 top WRs but in that case the 6/7 guys behind are tier 1A.

And I don't believe you truly think there are 4 top CBs. Theres one guy who used to be as good as the top 2 and is still good but he's still not that close.

You're also ignoring the relative value of WRs, which is much less than other positions.

This has been debated a ton on footballguys over the years. Seriously, you guys have no clue how many hours we've spent discussing this. And after all that time, we literally couldn't come to a reasonable conclusion.

Some people believe that being the only legit weapon on your offense helps your stats because you'll get the majority of the touches/targets. Other people believe that having a solid #2 helps take double teams off of you.


What I always find funny is how people want to argue whichever side supports their point. You want to argue against AJ here, so you argue that having no other weapons helps his numbers. Thats just silly.....you're arguing a point merely because it supports your overall point and not because you truly believe it to be true.



As I said, there have been countless threads and debates about this at FBGs, and the conclusions were that there really wasn't any definitive evidence that its better for a WR's stats to have a ton of other weapons or to be the only legit weapon. Unless you can give reasonable evidence that not having any other weapons is indeed good for a WR's stats, then you can't just keep saying that AJ was helped out by this.

I'm not saying it helps all his numbers, it definitely helps his targets though, and that in turn will bump his numbers slightly. It may mean he's less efficient but for raw yardage its gonna help.

Again, he's number 1 at WR, but the pick is still bad for all the other reasons mentioned.

Assani gonna Assani

Its not right, they are picking teams that have zero chance of winning right now.

You can say it'll help his targets, however the evidence is extremely mixed as to whether or not it'll help his yardage and TD totals(common fantasy stats).

There have been literally hundreds of posters at FBGs who have argued this in 10+ different threads. If they could do all that and not be able to make a conclusion one way or the other, then I find it very hard to believe that you somehow have the answer.

fwiw, we heavily considered a few NBA guys but didnt take them because of this.

IMO it's better to have good #2-3 etc receivers to complement *if* you have a quarterback who can handle high volume passing loads. If not, kind of a waste. So if you have Peyton Manning, Brees, etc, get weaponzz, but if you have Trent Edwards it will be for naught anyways.

god this **** gets so old

Is ZeeStein around?

fbg forum is aidstastic. lol at appealing to the authority of that place.

right, I mean its obvious. Why waste a first round pick on a sport you are not going to win? There are three sports here and there are still several elite players left, but for some reason people still want to take second tier NBA players? That makes zero sense to me.

If strict value over next best player is a good drafting guide then there's 2 guys who should have gone way earlier, but there's no way this is a good strat.

that's cause ur not thinking about it in the way you should be

People thinking they have a firm grasp on proper strategy in this draft right now are fooling themselves

wrong

There are a few very very good football minds there. You have to know which posters to trust.


If you'd like to do a study of this issue, then I'll sit back and listen. The only issue I have is people saying "_____ didn't have a #2 threat alongside him on offense so that must've helped/hurt his stats" just because it supports their argument. Its very clearly a cloudy issue.

I dunno though, taking 2 stars at the turn could give you a nice NBA team. Theres quite a few duos I can imagine being successful.

yeah thats possible, and its heavily dependent on who is still around in all three sports. However, I would lean on it being a very poor move regardless. I won't explain further because I don't want to mess with people's plans.

Assani, did you send a PM to next?

I agree with you since I don't think anyone has a firm grasp yet, but people should have a general idea what they want to do right now and the ability to identify a legit strat to start.

that's a pretty ridiculous statement when 12 different quarterbacks averaged that over the season last year

yea

fair enough, i didn't look at the numbers before posting that

i was thinking about andre johnson at 28, im glad i didn't have the choice!

Zeestein PMd me earlier (I had forgot) and selects Yao Ming.





His press release states: "Yao seems to be good to go this year and despite rumored minute limitations, our sources reveal he is prepared for a more normal workload. He provides a very attractive upside for a pick this late in the first round and assuming our sources are correct, he could catapult us into contention for best NBA team in the league."

He'll do the rest of his writeup later as obviously he will need to address both Yao's injury concerns this coming year as well as communnicate the rather significant upside that he could provide to the team.