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Bob has a top, what, 3-5 basketball iq/knowledge? For bill to basically say "hey we're the same" is absolutely an insult.

It feels similar to me as walking up to Ivey and saying "hey we're normally always on the same page when it comes to how we play our hands" if I'm Ivey im insulted.

I also think there was some of Bob having read Simmons' stuff and feeling like the number was MUCH lower than 90% agreement. I think that was part of the shock too.

I thought back to this post from 2010 when Bob recoiled:

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I think Bill Simmons is entertaining and a good writer, I think he is a good example of how having a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. I don't know if he is serious when he says he could make a good GM or if its all an act. I don't think Bill Simmons is particularly sharp when it comes to the NBA.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=162

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02-26-2015 , 04:31 PM

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I think anyone, including bob, who has been following Simmons that long would agree Simmons has gotten much more savvy concerning the nba in the last 5 years.

The podcast with hbob was good and I don't see the point in trying to create some controversy where none exists.

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02-27-2015 , 07:58 AM

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http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=12388068

Around the 50 minute mark. It is tilting listening to him talk about Hinkie and his plan. He is so off base it is hilarious. Hinkie doesn't give a **** about job security. Hinkie is in the NBA because he loves sports. He is probably giving up money by working in the NBA. The guy would succeed in all walks of life.

Simmons basically says, "He wants to acquire assets to acquire more assets which would result in assets you could trade for better assets or draft an asset. ASSETS. Ponzi scheme!"

Guy has lost his mind.

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02-27-2015 , 11:54 AM

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That podcast was brutal. Completely casualfan. The rondo stuff was numbing.

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02-27-2015 , 12:17 PM

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I'm beginning to realize that one of the problems with Simmons is that while fans have gotten smarter and more tuned in, Simmons has not and has probably regressed. Listening to him talk about the NBA is so painful now because he's usually wrong but comes at it with so much arrogance and certainty. I think 5+ years ago, the vast majority of fans wouldn't think he's wrong and would actually think he's well-informed and on the bleeding edge.

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02-27-2015 , 12:47 PM

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He definitely hasn't regressed.

But his Hinkie is doing a great work of job security is lol. I'm kinda convinced he's just doing it to create content. First of all he knows plenty about all the front offices, and thus he should be aware that Hinkie was hired specifically for this task, and that the hedge fund ownership is fully on board. If they weren't, Hinkie wouldn't last 3 years.

Then he says the worst thing you could do was what Billy king did. But the whole win now at the detriment to your future has been the standard method of staying employed for basically eternity. Now he's just deciding it's actually the other way.

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02-27-2015 , 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee

I think it's a combination of fans getting smarter and Simmons getting lazier.

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02-27-2015 , 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kidcolin

He definitely hasn't regressed.

wat

How has he possibly not regressed? Having a broad understanding of the analytics movement in basketball != he's any more tuned in. He lives in LA now and probably barely gives a **** about sports relative to his days in Boston.

Didn't someone itt point out how he was telling Lowry how much he loved playing with Z-bo when he never actually did? Or how about the fact that he barely writes anymore? lol at thinking he follows the NBA nearly as much as he used to.

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02-27-2015 , 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AggroCrag

I think it's a combination of fans getting smarter and Simmons getting lazier.

Yeah, this is exactly how I feel

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02-27-2015 , 02:08 PM

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I listen to all of Simmon's stuff. I think he has pretty good insights into basketball, much better than football where he is obviously just guessing like everyone else. I donno if he is beating the juice, cause the juice is very high on future bets, but he is WELL OVER .500 in his over/under win totals podcasts with House the last few years. This isn't an accident IMO.

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02-27-2015 , 02:16 PM

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You can call Simmons a lot of things but I don't know how anyone can possibly call him lazy.

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02-27-2015 , 02:20 PM

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I assume they mean intellectually lazy, ie he is more interested in writing about Fast and the Furious than spending time understanding basketball. I doubt anyone would complain he isn't a hard worker.

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02-27-2015 , 02:29 PM

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Yeah, he obviously works hard but he runs Grantland now and does Oscars specials among many other things. It's not possible that he spends as much time watching and reading about the NBA as he did when he just wrote columns.

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02-27-2015 , 02:32 PM

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Gotcha. Anyway, I know what I'm getting with BS and I don't listen to him for cutting edge NBA insights. I have people like Seth for that!

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02-27-2015 , 02:54 PM

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http://grantland.com/hollywood-prosp...-smith-review/

Is that even english? I swear I have no idea what half of his sentences mean

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02-27-2015 , 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MonsterJMcgee

wat

How has he possibly not regressed? Having a broad understanding of the analytics movement in basketball != he's any more tuned in. He lives in LA now and probably barely gives a **** about sports relative to his days in Boston.

Didn't someone itt point out how he was telling Lowry how much he loved playing with Z-bo when he never actually did? Or how about the fact that he barely writes anymore? lol at thinking he follows the NBA nearly as much as he used to.

as a media personality or as an analyst? he was never any good in the latter role

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02-27-2015 , 04:29 PM

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He certainly understands more about basketball than he did 5 years ago. We all do. He's not a whizz and he still goes only child on us when he molds arguments around his hunches rather than question his hunches, but the man is not Phil Simms. He's immersed in the analytics movement.

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02-27-2015 , 04:52 PM

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You might say he is the whiny, high pitched voice of the analytics movement

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02-27-2015 , 04:59 PM

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I am not sure analytics people would agree with this. I think this is like calling Limbaugh (circa Clinton years when he was at his peak) the voice of the Republican party.

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02-27-2015 , 05:40 PM

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i haven't seen the kobe grantland hour but chuck klostermans (written) interview with kobe was short but pretty good i thought: http://www.gq.com/sports/201503/kobe-bryant-nba-allstar

this was referenced in simbo's bs report with klosterman, they basically talk abotu kobe for most of it and it's worth a listen

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02-27-2015 , 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kidcolin

The other thing about Simmons and analytics is that you have to look at the voices he has used his platforms to amplify. How many people read Zach Lowe for the first time on Grantland or heard him first on the BS Report? Same with Haralabos or Jonah Keri or Rany Jazerali. His hiring decisions make me think he's a lot more savvy on this stuff then he comes across.

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02-27-2015 , 09:30 PM

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Simmons has an incredible talent for managing/hiring/directing talent. He's run grantland incredibly well all things considered. There are a lot of really good writers there on a variety of topics, and he gives them a lot of creative freedom. He also hit a massive homerun with the '30 for 30' series, and deserves a ton of credit for getting all these different directors and personalities to work with his project.

It's easily his best feature.

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02-27-2015 , 11:14 PM

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Listen to how more likeable Simmons comes across in this clip from 2006.

In regards to 2015 Bill, basically I just feel like Bill thinks he is smarter than he really is. He talks in extremes too much and just misses things that are obvious to us hyper logical thinkers. He has for sure increased his knowledge in the NBA recently (at a detriment to his NFL and MLB knowledge), but the analytics movement has improved at a quicker pace than he has.

That being said, I would have a beer with Bill in a second and he still seems like a fun guy.