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that's my biggest takeaway from that. wtf is this?

I understand where he's getting at but off all the things to chart up he is doing playoff implications in week 7? might as well chart out all possible outcomes after the 4th move off a chess game

Very well said. Perfect chess analogy. Well played.

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10-16-2014 , 03:32 PM

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yes, this is the purpose of the chart. well-assessed.

Nice edit

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10-16-2014 , 04:11 PM

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Pretty cool he at least got the teams in one division right.

Yeah, that's what I was loling at. Does no one double check anything?

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10-16-2014 , 04:25 PM

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I just thought it was a silly way to represent the data. In fact I'm still not sure what all the hues and colours really reflect in terms of playoff expectation. Is it supposed to represent the grade or severity of swing in playoff expectation based on conference foes results in week 7? I'm pretty stupid though.

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10-16-2014 , 04:47 PM

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Really? Pretty freaking normal. All anyone cares about is getting to the playoffs. In week 1 ppl are talking about it.

I get that and agree. Just feel like SO many things are in motion at this point that this adds nothing to what I'm going to root for or pay attention to. a 4% swing one way or the other for some team is not what I'm going to pay attention to at this point.

I want Denver and Indy and Cinci to lose and New England to win and beyond that ask me and I'm sure I'll tell you who I would prefer.

oops Indy and Cinci are playing! so I will consult the chart

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10-16-2014 , 06:59 PM

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This of it as his version of fangraphs NERD score

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10-16-2014 , 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

So I don't know you personally, but I would guess that you would flip out at a bad play call that changes the single game win percentage of the Pats by 10 percent, which actually leads to a playoff percentage change of 1 percent. A 4 percent playoff swing is pretty big for most people if they are being consistent.

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10-17-2014 , 11:01 AM

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It's pretty terrible. Nothing about what it's trying to do is at all clear on a quick glance. The whole point of infographics and charts is that I shouldn't have to work to figure them out.

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10-17-2014 , 11:08 AM

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It's pretty terrible. Nothing about what it's trying to do is at all clear on a quick glance. The whole point of infographics and charts is that I shouldn't have to work to figure them out.

left side is the game
top is the team
intersection is the swing in playoff percentages (for the team) between the two non-tie outcomes (of the game)

Think you're overplaying how complex this is.

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10-17-2014 , 11:15 AM

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It's horribly confusing without an explanation, 'swing in win percentage' is not at all a popular enough metric to assume that it's obvious at a glance. It would be a much more effective chart if they listed each game twice, once for each outcome, and then showed the increase or decrease in playoff equity based on that outcome. As it is, it's pretty meaningless outside of whatever article it was attached to. Why is 19 in black? Why is 24 is bright red? Why is 20 in pink? It does a terrible job of quickly conveying information

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10-17-2014 , 11:17 AM

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But it's interactive. Even if you don't read/grok the explanation, it becomes pretty clear once you mouse over any one cell.

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10-17-2014 , 11:20 AM

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I wonder if Silver just has Shake It Off playing on repeat in the 538 offices at this point.

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10-17-2014 , 11:28 AM

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But it's interactive. Even if you don't read/grok the explanation, it becomes pretty clear once you mouse over any one cell.

Fair enough, I was just basing it off of the screenshot posted in this thread, didn't realize it was interactive. Although checking it out did lead to the realization that one of the authors is a borderline statistical illiterate formerly from Deadspin's Regressing blog that I posted about itt a few days ago, so I'm going to dock even more points from lol 538.

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10-17-2014 , 11:46 AM

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not sure why the thread is spending so much time on this particular one when there are so many worse articles on 538.

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10-17-2014 , 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Das Boot

left side is the game
top is the team
intersection is the swing in playoff percentages (for the team) between the two non-tie outcomes (of the game)

Think you're overplaying how complex this is.

But those labels aren't on the actual chart? Maybe it's because I'm not seeing it within the context of the article, but just that visual alone is unclear as hell.

Oh sheesh, it's interactive? This is all Wookie's fault then.

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10-17-2014 , 05:18 PM

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Interesting Barnwell got the picks column again, is Simmons back or not?

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10-17-2014 , 05:53 PM

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I would assume he is behind on basketball and is catching up on that and football is on the backburner.

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10-17-2014 , 06:29 PM

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Yeah preseason basketball is much more interesting than mid season football. Gotta give your readers what they want.

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10-17-2014 , 07:51 PM

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Although checking it out did lead to the realization that one of the authors is a borderline statistical illiterate formerly from Deadspin's Regressing blog that I posted about itt a few days ago, so I'm going to dock even more points from lol 538.

Not sure what "borderline" is doing in this sentence.

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10-17-2014 , 09:38 PM

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Fair enough, I was just basing it off of the screenshot posted in this thread, didn't realize it was interactive.

Yeah, this. Looking at just the pic and it looks horrible, going to the website and interacting, it seems perfectly reasonable.

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10-17-2014 , 09:48 PM

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Not sure what "borderline" is doing in this sentence.

Not the same guy as a week ago, just formerly of the same blog. He sucks too, no doubt, but probably not as badly as the 9SD guy.

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10-18-2014 , 12:47 AM

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Yeah preseason basketball is much more interesting than mid season football. Gotta give your readers what they want.

A) Jalen and Bills preseason preview YouTube videos tho

B) Wouldn't be surprised if the suits strongly suggested that he take it easy on the NFL discussions for a while even after the suspension. Am personally interested to see if Sal is back doing a BS Report with him next week.