if these arguments you get into are 'irrelevant', and i agree they are, it feels like work to go through a 5 paragraph post. get to the point, or don't bother.

this thread is redsox'ing hardcore the last couple pages

I know. I have read the references regarding the inside joke. I assume it must be a gut-buster.

As for the WAR debate, I was told that WAR bakes in certain intangibles. I wasn't told which ones. I figured the Darrell Evans example was pretty good since that is a genuine asset which may not be easily quantified.

In general, are there attributes like this that do not get "baked in" by WAR? (otherwise, what it is good for? ... )

There are multiple points being made. I challenge you to edit one of these offending posts down and provide the same content.

It is all gold my friend. All of it. My fingers **** gold bricks all day long.

lol you can't even read an argument, and the one use of metaphorical language i use you pick apart

I was thinking more like Yankees of the mid 80's to mid 90's.

what is your posts/page setting

was def an awful move for the sox to get adrian gonzalez. he brought the san diego wil all the way over here and infected the entire team.

Triumph: I assume you are referring to the "Baked in" question? I have always given it credence. I don't refute it at all. I was just asking about certain things that may or may not be "baked in." I am not picking apart your metaphorical language, I am adopting it in agreement.

You guys are way too defensive, jesus.

I mean, effin' A, I have never crossed you or said a bad thing about you ever. Why? because you have never "come at me bro" but have been pretty cool. Why do you think I am attacking you? That is not my thing. I only fight back.

I get posters coming out of the woodwork all the time trying to take potshots, most of then I ignore. One of the small players I didn't ignore was Phildo, but that has been a very providential move for me overall. I am glad I did it.

yeah but i'm pretty sure the data entry i did for your website makes me a sabermetrician by proxy
ice cold

Maybe you cooked the books to make Steve Sax fall out of the top 5. Wouldn't put it past you.

you must be new here

Well at least he doesn't have 38,000 posts on an internet forum. Get a life bruh.

i must say, though, this oski fellow seems quite perturbed. irked even.

wait ive just been sort of grunching. is he actually a lawyer?

Neither one.

I'll tell you the truth if you let me smell your finger.

this is great.

this thread is not.

I have the equivalent of 38,000 posts, probably more if you there was a text to post ratio to determine it.

50. Always 50.

狂的母狗，她瘋了

Dude what is your problem? I actually know someone who is good friends with you irl and he said you were a good dude, yet you act like the biggest toolbox to people you don't know at all on a forum. I am inclined to believe this person too, which makes your behavior here so bizarre and frankly embarrassing, but good job winning online arguments!

indeed osis

Oski, I don't know who Darrell Evans is but it appears he was a 3b/1b so I don't know why you're bringing up arms/holding runners. I'm guessing you meant Dwight Evans, in which case bbref war probably isn't taking into account arms. It's not that big a deal though because the spread between the best/worst is something like +/- 5 runs a year once you regress. So feel free to add a few wins to Evans war if he had a really good arm, I don't know anything about him.

I have a lot of issues with how war and the fielding stats are used in small samples by pretty much everyone (the offensive components are mostly fine), but the methodology/implementation of the arms stat seems pretty solid to me.

Also not to let my cordial response be mistaken for something else, you still seem like a pretty terrible poster btw