I don't think that manipulating the system = Does not have a good case

The players are incredibly suspicious of the NFL's authority, especially after the way Goodell handled the Bounty cases. So its not really out there that they would manipulate the system out of fear of being scapegoated, if they were, in fact, innocent

i dunno about flip. steelers need to beat the bungles at home then the lol browns. they are lock to beat browns and favs vs bungles.

Just to clarify if it turns out these guys are manipulating the system then all problems i have with it is with the system and not the team/players. If my team was in a situation like this i would want them to go about it in the same way.

Oh btw on that note, Bengals +4 free money

Sherman has looked better to me, but according to some advanced $tats I read earlier this year, Browner was actually the better of the two. He might just have access to the better steroids though, idk

I'd be interested to look at these if you had a link.

if i am reading part of this correctly, you are saying that the reason peterson rips off so many long runs, is bc the defense is trying to stop him for short gains? seems like a flawed strategy.

To begin, I'll say that I'm no expert in labor law or the NFL CBA, but had a year-long internship with a sports agency while in law school. This firm had a client (on whom's case I was closely working) in some banned substance conflict with their league shortly after the USG took a stronger stance on the major sports leagues cracking down on substance abuse of all sorts, which wasn't all ceremonial. This all became leverage for leagues and players associations foregoing some rights to evidence disclosure in agreed upon punishment ranges and procedures.

Definitely not for reasons stated well by LKJ and Lamebreaker.

And this was confirmed in the courts, raising the level of scrutiny deserved to the NFL evidentiary procedures.

Adding to what LKJ said with the Bounty stuff being so fresh, there's a ton of reason to believe that Sherman's representation is struggling to even get any light as to what the NFL is using upon which to base their judgment. It's their job to represent Sherman to their best capacity and the NFL's well-chronicled adversarial gamesmanship with these procedures makes it reasonable to believe that Sherman's representation is being sandbagged externally, as opposed to internally.

That said, I raised the question of the Seattle CBs strategizing to coordinate their suspensions itt, so I'm not saying this is definitely the case. If Sherman has a reasonable defense, this all makes sense is what I'm saying. And the levels to which the NFL has to disclose evidence to Sherman's representation is in gray area -- an area which exists to actually preserve the integrity of their testing programs by keeping them random, anonymous, and spontaneous.

I'm speculating that this isn't the case, but admit this is my bias, and wonder what the more advantageous approach to the situation would be if Browner and Sherman knew: (a) they deserve the suspensions; and (b) they couldn't completely avoid them.

ya a lock to beat a team that just beat them

holla

victoar

Ask Victoar how Antonio Gates is doing this season.

It is better to stop him for short gains on 1st & 2nd down and then force Ponder to throw the ball. You have to at some point trust your guys to make tackles. If you come up with a scheme that allows Peterson 4 yards on every carry then Ponder is never throwing the ball in a bad situation.

My paint skills are horribad so bear with me:



Thats a 2 deep look vs spread. Thats just a zone right play. If you notice every front player is accounted for. But in this look the playside safety is a fill player. While the backside safety is an alley player. Even if the offense blocks perfectly thats two players vs ADP so against a perfectly blocked scheme, really you are looking at a 5-10 yard gain.

Here is a single high monster look.



The star player is the monster. He is likely going to lineup in one of two places(purple being the second). Assuming the offense has a check with me call that the QB will just call opposite if the monster is playing that way and they call an outside zone. Inside zone is shot. There is only an alley player(the free safety). You have a cutback player in the monster but thats it.

Its probably a terrible job of showing(and its not the invert look I was discussing but those looks are much more common). Little busy or I'd draw it up, maybe later tonight.

Oh the pink is the blitz engage. As there is no TE nor FB the front side LB can engage at will. Thats how you are trying to stop the gains of an RB. Which is why any two gapping DL is so valuable.

But the basic of this is, yeah, you are risking the potential for big play in the run game and pass game for a better shot at getting a short gain, no gain, or tackle for loss.

Take a league average starting QB like Joe Flacco/Matt Stafford/Mike Vick(please don't debate whether or not these guys are "league average", thats not the point of this post) and put him on either the Packers, Broncos, or Pats....how many games do those teams win this year?

Andre Johnson needs 7 grabs and 140 yards in his final 2 games to have his third 100/1,500 season, which would tie Marvin Harrison for 2nd most all-time. Jerry Rice has four 1,500 yard seasons.

Against Minny and Indy I'd say he's got a real good shot.

Packers/Pats: 7
Broncos: 9

Packers: 8
Patriots: 8
Broncos: 9

Needle, a few things:

1. In the games you watched, what was the most common blocking scheme the Vikings were using?

2. What is the difference between a "pin and pull" zone and regular outside zone?
2a. As an OL guy, which do you consider yourself more of, zone or man blocking?

3. What do you mean when you say the backside safety is an "alley" guy? Fill makes sense, but I'm not getting what this could mean.

pats already have a league average QB and theyre pretty good bc belichick is a genius and they run a great system.

ya bc roeth is playing.

so you're pretty high on Ryan Mallett then

LOL'ed

Also re Justin Smith. I don't think he will play for the rest of the regular season. Patrick Willis made it seem like he won't go vs Seattle in his presser today.

Seattle will probably win this SN, so hopefully the Vikes can beat GB week 17