Suzzer, yeah here the vast bulk of the time people are just going to make excuses and stop talking to you. The times you are getting punched is if a guy's daughter married an Aboriginal or something, or if the person you are talking to has ancestry (its not always obvious from looks).

Southern states with large black populations often have large areas where no minorities live at all. My experience growing up in Alabama was that the most racist people lived in counties or towns with zero minorities. They never saw them or had any contact so they sound similar to what you're saying about Nebraska racists.

I was traveling with a couple friends once on a trip to South Carolina when the car broke down on a rural highway. We got towed about 30 miles and rode in the cab of the tow truck. The conversation was pretty normal for 5 minutes which I guess was how long it took the guy to feel comfortable and then the rest of the ride was frightening as hell. We were three very white kids and legit terrified by what he was saying.

I was born in Cullman. In the 2010 census, there was 1 black person in Cullman out of 50,000 or whatever

It was like 2 years ago that they took down the sign saying "nuggets, you better not let the sun set on your black ass in Cullman"

Wikipedia "sundown towns"

Also got family on Sand Mountain, also has 0 black people and a Confederate flag blowing on every trailer

Grew up around black people and lost my virginity to a black man so joke's on my ancestors

The thing is, this **** is not unique to Alabama

Even portland is just barely out of their overt redlining and it's still de facto covered up redlining

Jesus.

VA beach is a **** hole.

good insight from Nate:

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 20m20 minutes ago

In USC/LATimes poll, Trump supporters' likelihood of voting has fallen a bunch over past week. His "rigged" message may depress his turnout.

suzzer,

#3 on your list is definitely the most common ime. From what I've seen, people who hold these opinions essentially split up african americans in their heads to the good black people and the thugs/welfare queens. Coincidentally the good black people always consist of all of the black people that they actually know and the thugs/welfare queens are all the shady black strangers that spook them in their mind. In conversation, I haven't figured out yet how to break through this mental block.

wish i had some cool stories of overt racism

I like how almost all the numbers are based off the use of the n-word

where does personally finding black people less attractive than white people fit?

Your counter argument to my experience is your experience. And since people you personally choose to associate with hate a guy who a majority of voters elected, perhaps your social circle isn't representative of things.

This is me, for better or for worse.

Pence's approval numbers are far from a majority.

Does nothing to invalidate my point.

No you

But yours is?

I'm having a hard time following this discussion. Is there something I'm missing?

clark thinks indy is really racist based on personal experience instead of using the overwhelming evidence that it's not in the deep south or boonies while krayz thinks some racist guy from a bar wasn't from indiana despite him being in a bar in indiana rooting for the pacers while clark and monte both think their personal experiences in indiana are defacto facts

I was in sales and worked with and met and networked with a super wide swath of people in all areas of the city.

Cliffs: Clark lives in Indy 2+ years and finds it super racist, even moreso than St Louis, Indy residents leap to the defense of the city as if I am attacking them personally.

i don't even really trust my own memories that are more than 5 years old, let alone other people's

TBF saying something is "worse than St. Louis" is an emotional trigger for most. If you said St. Louis was better than KC in any way except turning out obnoxious baseball fans, I'd be leaping to KC's defense.

I mean, it really doesn't matter. It's a national problem as evidenced by this election.

Well your experience is almost 2 decades ago, so it ought to be obvious why current residents are discounting it.

Also you're conflating Indiana with Indianapolis. Pence didn't win the majority in Indianapolis when he was elected governor. A majority of Indianpolis voters chose the other guy. And his approval rating in the last year in Indianpolis is complete ****. So if his circle is not representative of Indianapolis, it's not because of their opinions of Pence.

2a. people who tip black waiters/waitresses less than their white counterparts

best evidence we have of systemic racism today

State of the Trump campaign, reporting from inside the madhouse:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/us...paign-gop.html

spent a night in Indianapolis back in June. While out for roughly four hours, saw a pickup with a gigantic confederate flag driving super slow down a street with tons of bars/restaurants; group of 5-6 white people in restaurant openly and loudly discussing their hatred of Muslims and blacks (there was a black family eating like 50 feet away in plain sight)

Clark's anecdotes check out IMO

If only there were some way, using math or data, to combine everyone's anecdotal experiences...



Indianapolis confirmed not too bad, but Indiana has some hot pockets. Holy crap at the quad cities. And interestingly if you filter on racism Green Bay doesn't look too bad, but switch to homophobia and it lights up like a Christmas tree. Must be a lot of repressed Farve-swooners.