The best outcome is trump winning the nom and then losing the election

His presence and being an actual threat to win should shake up the horrible parties

But him winning would be horrible

wat? How does Trump v Hilary - with Trump losing - "shake up" the parties?

Without anything beyond that, how would it effect a (presumably) Rep Senate/HoR or a Dem president?

The actual best outcome is a total annihilation of the party system

Why the hell should I have to be pro NRA, pro massive militarization pro God and pro life to be for lowering taxes, curbing entitlements and being for smaller government?

Not rare at all, next question.

Can someone put together a coherent argument for why Trump winning would be so bad?

The dude has proven to be very self-aware behind closed doors. He has said he would pick a strong Washington insider as his VP. His cabinet would undoubtedly read as a "who's who" for each department.

He thinks the government does a terrible job spending money - they do
He thinks the government does a terrible job with corruption - they do
He thinks the government is full of stupid and lazy people - they are

He has said some populist quasi-racist **** that reflects badly on him but helps him win the Republican primary - true

He believes these things and would be a terrible leader - not sure about that

What would the disastrous results of a Trump presidency look like?

For everything domestic, wouldn't the worst just be gridlock? Which we have experience with and many people prefer.

I could see him being stupid with the military, even using nukes... But is that actually realistic?

So what does it come down to that would be disastrous? Civil unrest? Would there really be more than from Obama?

Paint me a picture of how it would be so bad. I'm not really convinced.

His entire campaign has been the emperor's new clothes where the country is the emperor

You recognize there are problems. Great. What are you going to do about them and how?

Holy ****. Slow pony

Also I've read tons of posts on the internet about how Trump supporters are poor, uneducated, white, angry 20-somethings.

How come every Trump supporter I know IRL is basically the opposite of this?

Campaigns don't reflect on time in office very well

What are any of the candidates going to do about them and how?

Whether you like Obamacare or not, that's been like the one concrete attempt at fixing a problem since Bill Clinton at least. I'd guess farther back than him as well

Who the hell said Trump supporters were 20-somethings?

you know a lot of rich, highly educated, minority, happy go lucky olds who are voting TRUMP?

remove minority and yes i know many of these.

And depending on the definition of minority, yes.

I might have made that part up, but it generally is described as people who are 25-40 living in trailers who like trump.

he would probably appoint 2 supreme court justices (assuming RGB dies or whatever) that would overturn Roe v Wade for one. but yes given his complete lack of anything resembling coherent or concrete policy proposals other than hurp durp we will build a wall and get the mexicans to pay for it, it is hard to talk about specifics since no one has any clue what his agenda will be

No but at some point you have to offer something beyond buzzwords, catchphrases and notions like 'policy doesn't matter' and 'I have a plan'

He'll be working with a congress that already despises him, his party will only support him if and only if they have no choice, and he has yet to offer any idea of any substance and has a popularity that is the result of total falsehoods

Donald Drumpf is not a good businessman

Donald Drumpf is not a builder

Donald Drumpf is not running a self funded campaign

Donald Drumpf is not a truth teller

Yet to hear every casual who supports him he's Jesus Christ ressurected come to save the world

But aren't the republicans arguing he would appoint liberal judges?

Way less likely to do this than Rubio and probably Cruz too

And they still have to be approved anyway

Except this isn't a given at all. Besides his word (lol) what would make anyone think this charlatan is a social conservative?

Yeah, the 20-somethings isn't a typical characterization I've heard. I think it's mostly middle-aged.

btw in a RCP article from Sep (yes that was a long time ago when he was polling at 27%) it said only 2% of his supporters were younger than 30, half his voters have a high school education or less, 20% with college degrees. only 1/3 made less than 50k so not sure how poor they are


not sure how relevant those numbers are now ofc

SRM,

This is a 45 min video of TRUMP's custom made Boeing 757. Come away from this and tell me he isn't a good businessman and does not run a tight ship.

All of this said I'd still much rather have Drumpf in the White House than Resting Bitch Face Cruz. That prospect genuinely horrifies me

LL,

Who has 45 minutes?

None of the candidates are any of those things. Well, the Clintons are great at monetizing their situation, but...

I thought we were discussing why and how he would or wouldn't be a disaster, not why his true believers are mouth breathers