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01-23-2018 , 10:18 PM
Wait, nowhere in the US has safe injecting rooms?

lol
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01-23-2018 , 10:27 PM
We do, they're called "places white people with money live."
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01-23-2018 , 10:29 PM
Loled irl.
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01-23-2018 , 10:46 PM
in almost all cities, clean needles arent even available.
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01-23-2018 , 10:47 PM
"Philadelphia has the highest opioid death rate of any large U.S. city. More than 1,200 people fatally overdosed in Philadelphia in 2017."

Shiiit
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01-23-2018 , 11:06 PM
Drug warriors, reliably the dumbest people on the planet after Trumpkins (I'm aware there's a lot of crossover).

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Originally Posted by dth123451
We do, they're called "places white people with money live."
Being pedantic, I don't think rich white people do something as uncouth as shoot up like disgusting poor people. They just have a genteel few oxy every few hours.
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01-23-2018 , 11:43 PM
Chris with some scorching hot takes. Let me disabuse you of that notion you have, because I've personally shot up with plenty of people who have "**** you" money.
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01-23-2018 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MEb
As men, I think we need to recognize that as a group we are generally pretty terrible. That said, the men capable of recognizing this likely aren't the ones most responsible for us being a terrible group of humans.
quoting this in case he deletes this post.
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01-24-2018 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by shaft88
quoting this in case he deletes this post.
Wat
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01-24-2018 , 02:04 AM
Getting super mad at that meb post is a tell
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01-24-2018 , 02:11 AM
God knows what kind of hell would break loose if you added “white” in there.
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01-24-2018 , 02:29 AM
It's implied

White men woat
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01-24-2018 , 03:19 AM
As a white man I wish white men were the group least responsible for Trump getting elected. But no, we are largely responsible.

As a double whammie, I live in Mitch McConnells state. I largely hate my demographic.
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01-24-2018 , 03:27 AM
My favorite facebook RWNJ dropped this recently
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He Fights.

By: Evan Sayet
December 11, 2017

My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #Never Trumpers) constantly ask me if I'm not bothered by Donald Trump's lack of decorum.

They ask if I don't think his tweets are "beneath the dignity of the office." Here's my answer: We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency. We tried statesmanship.

Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized "collegiality" as John McCain? We tried propriety: has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.

This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

I don't find anything "dignified," "collegial" or "proper" about Barack Obama's lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party.

I don't see anything "dignified" in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks. I don't see anything "statesman-like" in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent. Yes, Obama was "articulate" and "polished" but in no way was he in the least bit "dignified," "collegial" or "proper."

The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the '60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale. It has been a war they've fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one the violent take-over of the universities till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety. With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America’s first wartime president in the Culture War.

During wartime, things like "dignity" and "collegiality" simply aren't the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, "I cannot spare this man. He fights..."

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking, son-of-a-*****. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

Trump is fighting. And what's particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel's, he's shouting, "You magnificent bastard, I read your book!" That is just the icing on the cake, but it's wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he's defeating the Left using their own tactics.

That book is Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals a book so essential to the Liberals' war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton's senior thesis. It is a book of such pure evil that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

Trump's tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after "the fake media" and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, Trump isolated CNN. He made it personal.

Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as "the most powerful weapon of all.”... Most importantly, Trump's tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. ... They need to respond. This leaves them with only two choices. They can either "go high" (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery. The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve.

It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive. Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama's close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright's church. Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration's weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration's cover-up.

So, to my friends on the Left and the #Never Trumpers as well do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be "collegial" and "dignified" and "proper"? Of course I do. These aren't those times. This is war. And it's a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

So, say anything you want about this president - I get it - he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times.

I don't care. I can't spare this man.
This is the **** the other side gets fed
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01-24-2018 , 03:33 AM
Reply: What does he fight FOR, exactly?
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01-24-2018 , 03:50 AM
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Reply: What does he fight FOR, exactly?
Validating ignorance and racism
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01-24-2018 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Drug warriors, reliably the dumbest people on the planet after Trumpkins (I'm aware there's a lot of crossover).



Being pedantic, I don't think rich white people do something as uncouth as shoot up like disgusting poor people. They just have a genteel few oxy every few hours.
Rich ppl have their own phlebotomist
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01-24-2018 , 07:36 AM
Pretty comprehensive summary below of what will be a huge day in Brazilian politics today as former President and massive 2018 election favorite appeals a corruption conviction achieved by celebrity judge and former Lavo Jato darling Sergio Moro.

If he doesn’t win his appeal he is likely prevented from running for the presidency, putting the election picture in total chaos. With or without him most options are looking particularly terrible in a government with over half of congress being actively investigated for corruption.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...0123-0029.html
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01-24-2018 , 09:41 AM
Is he the one that couldn't run in the last election because of previous corruption and got in by running as vice President then getting the former president impeached Kevin Spacey style?
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01-24-2018 , 10:10 AM
No that’s the current president.
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01-24-2018 , 10:14 AM
I have mixed feelings on setting up "safe zones" for opioid use.

On one hand, using opioids outside of their prescribed usage is illegal for a very good reason. I think its pretty clear that they are immensely dangerous so really the only argument for their legalization is the one that suggests that you should be able to do anything you want to your own body. Personally, I am also torn on that issue.

On the other hand, I think it is pretty clear that this would prevent some deaths and maybe even help some people seek real help and beat their addiction. This would be a pretty clear positive for society (tut would likely disagree). However, this is effectively decriminalizing it in specific circumstances and I don't think we should really be decriminalizing things that are this dangerous or really decriminalizing stuff at all when we can just make it legal or illegal.

I don't really think its an easy problem to solve. I think the better solution would be to make it nearly impossible for people to get opioids unless they are actually needed medically. However, this strategy doesn't seem particularly popular with the pharmaceutical industry, enough doctors (you'd need doctors to be on the same page about what a true medically need is which is tough philosophically even if they're all good intentioned and ~100% buy in because even a few doctors prescribing them too loosely is enough to cause the problem), or the government.
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01-24-2018 , 10:33 AM
The way you solve the problem is the same way you solve every other problem. Close the income inequality gap.
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01-24-2018 , 10:55 AM
It’s reality TV. On live with online news outlets sending live tweets of the judges votes like it’s a boxing match.
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01-24-2018 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I have mixed feelings on setting up "safe zones" for opioid use.

On one hand, using opioids outside of their prescribed usage is illegal for a very good reason. I think its pretty clear that they are immensely dangerous so really the only argument for their legalization is the one that suggests that you should be able to do anything you want to your own body. Personally, I am also torn on that issue.

On the other hand, I think it is pretty clear that this would prevent some deaths and maybe even help some people seek real help and beat their addiction. This would be a pretty clear positive for society (tut would likely disagree). However, this is effectively decriminalizing it in specific circumstances and I don't think we should really be decriminalizing things that are this dangerous or really decriminalizing stuff at all when we can just make it legal or illegal.

I don't really think its an easy problem to solve. I think the better solution would be to make it nearly impossible for people to get opioids unless they are actually needed medically. However, this strategy doesn't seem particularly popular with the pharmaceutical industry, enough doctors (you'd need doctors to be on the same page about what a true medically need is which is tough philosophically even if they're all good intentioned and ~100% buy in because even a few doctors prescribing them too loosely is enough to cause the problem), or the government.

bolded must be a joke. like, have you been paying attention to the last 100 years of drug use throughout the world, esp opium and opiate use?

opiod zones are ofc a great thing. ppl are going to do it anyway. not a single junkie in the history of the world has stopped shooting dope bc it is illegal. so unless you are the type that wishes ill on these ppl then it is a no brainer.

ofc most ppl in america do wish harm on junkies and hope they die as fast as possible. but they dont really die, not for a long time. they get absesses and hep c, and even aids. they are absolutely miserable. but they sure as hell aint gonna stop jamming needles in their arms (and hands, and feet, and hips, and neck).

so unless you want to see other ppl miserable, with no gain to you or anyone else, then anyone with half a brain would support such places to reduce the harm and suffering.
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01-24-2018 , 11:19 AM
If it was impossible to get prescription pain meds itd do a lot to reduce the amount of future junkies.
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