Hillbillies were bound to discover the internet sooner or later.

A business is a lot more likely to suffer by firing someone for attending a "Save the whales" march than for firing a Nazi.

lol 'the Euro countries'

And why would you ever think America was different (i.e. better) than anywhere else when it comes to overt racism and white supremacy? Have you spent the last year (/the last 10 years/the last 240 years) with your head up your ass? How was this your ****ing threshold for thinking 'hey, you know what, I guess America is pretty racist? Huh, who knew?'

Oct. 18, 2008

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-pennsylvania/

Washington County, PA, the county in question?
McCain won 52-47
Trump won 60-35

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...-of-corruption

Muellers got this

Since you asked, I've spent seven of the last ten years outside America. To your point, I guess I just figured that that part of America was so fringe that it could never take hold into something that could actually, you know, get a political movement rolling on a national scale. And maybe it still isn't, media coverage could be feeding it. Still, it's sad to see.

By Euro countries I should've been more specific, countries that have far right movements with elected officials from a specific party. I guess I just never associated the Republican Party as that far right.

I knew we weren't beyond this but I had no idea that so many right wing college kids were becoming ****ing nazi's.

Even this part doesn't really surprise me. What I was shocked by was how overt they were about it. If I'm ever at a gathering and the people on "my side" are brandishing Nazi flags and KKK **** completely unchecked, I'd be rethinking my philosophies.

We're reached a point of such eroded base support where even Reds won't fight impeachment too harshly. They can spin it as "getting us back on course" and remind their idiots that Trump's tweeting prevented them from further damaging healthcare.

Mueller can't be bought or reasoned with and he has the support of the Senate. Trump may actually be stuck here.

tl;dr

Yeah, "The Euros" is just a lazy blanket statement.

If we're talking where right wing nutjobs are in charge combining both USA and the EU then the list should be:
Hungary
Poland
United States

The reverse of this list is much, much longer so you're not really being fair.

If we change it to whole Europe then you might be able to add Switzerland(don't know much about them but they should historically be a tick to the right just for lacking military alliances and being a direct democracy should ironically help too) and Turkey+Russia(wouldn't really expect anyone to think of them when talking about "The Euros").

Though there obviously has been lots of events recently why one might think RWNJs are close(brexit, le pen, dutch elections, afd in germany). But this is essentially a fad due to the timing(bunch of browns trying to flee to Europe is rustling a lot of racists), whereas the Republican party has traditionally been either at power or very close to it and have been trying to do evil **** under the guise of christian values for a long time afaik.

To your last sentence, how I connect nazism to the Republicans is Donald Trump (essentially?) being the head of the party and he had all the David Duke nonsense and now taking his sweet time with Charlottesville. Bunch of "normal republicans" should be in the midst of an awakening but I don't think this is really happening, seems like a lot of blind support and cucking up to any authoritarian behavior.

It's really weird to track the disenchanted white male shut in demographic over the last decade or so. Honestly, the online poker crowd was semi adjacent to these guys about 10 years ago. Back then they were just anime weirdos or video game dudes that morphed into PUA or whatever. But some were just on a bad road.

ya there's a reason why Drumpf was going after McConnell on twitter last week

ya the pua stuff swept thru this forum and the poker community like wild fire. pretty sure the pua stuff is what spawned redpill and all that.

Idk how anyone who has watched The Wire >once can feel confident that Mueller's investigation is going to amount to anything significant.

Literal best case scenario is Trump fires everyone and gets impeached for it. Congratulations we now have President Pence, whoopty doo.

I used to think the opposite, but would now far prefer Pence over Trump, just bc he's more likely a sane person. I think he's less likely to start a nucular to improve his approval ratings. he's better in the existential sense.

yeah his micro policies might even be worse, but the R party takes a huge hit for a failed presidency, and as we saw with health care the R in congress aren't united enough to do anything anyways (we're now 7 months into R controlling all 3 branches and their major legislative achievement is...?)

Trump condemned all the groups, will get graded on the trump curve and stabilize his approval ratings for a few months.

cutting the president's bollocks off wrt russia sanctions seems to be #1 so far

I think about this a lot. I think there's a lot of us who are now in our late 20s who grew up in a very white, very male type of online culture where edgy 4chan comedy, constant use of [gay slur] and [racial slur] ('Louis CK told me I could tho!'), pseudo-ironic racism, not-even-pretending-to-be-ironic sexism ('tits or gtfo', 'try hitting her'), 'SJW' bashing, anti political correctness, etc etc was the default mode of conversation.

And over time all that stuff became less funny, and the ironic racism became less ironic, and the real world consequences of all that bull**** started to became apparent, and maybe we became older and less socially backward, and one day you have a conversion moment where you say **** all this cancerous toxic bull****.

And the ones who never pulled out of that nosedive are what now comprise the Donald Trump Nazi Meme Army. Getting deeper in a step at a time, and slowly transforming from pro-free speech anti-PC South Park Libertarian to Gamergater to this ****. And several people I've spoken to have a sense of - ****, a little less common sense, a little more racial or sexual resentment, a few more Joe Rogan podcasts, and that could have been me

well then

Yup. A decent amount of us were online poker shut ins. Maybe made some money, but it's not a super balanced or healthy lifestyle for most. But whether it was poker or video games or whatever lead the socially reclusive teen/early 20s person into these online subcultures, most grow out of it as you say. Maybe in college they get a friend group, meet a girl, get a decent job or whatever. But as you say, some never grow out of it, never find something that fulfills the average person and apparently end up as a nazi sharing memes on twitter.

I want you to explain to me what you believe the best case scenario we can hope for with Mueller is. I want to believe but this thing isn't going to end smoothly or without a large amount of violence.

Do you guys really think impeachment is the optimal endgoal of the Mueller investigation?I'm still not convinced that Pence as president > Trump as president

Trump is an idiot and an embarrassment, but he's so inept that he's basically been unable to do much as president so far. Pence has a lot more experience in the political landscape and would probably be better at pushing the R agenda.

you've already seen the effect it's having. Trump is forced to defend his time and energy on Russia instead of...anything else. Like they say, if you're explaining, you're losing, and that's all Trump has been able to do. his political capital erodes and stuff like McCain sending him an FU on health care keeps happening. his low approval ratings drives D wins at the ballot box (his low approval ratings doesn't come out of thin air, it's in some part due to all the lying and sketchiness about the Russia stuff)

the more Mueller finds, the faster this cycle gets until everything just grinds to a halt

now as you say, maybe this comes with it violence. that's certainly possible. slavery didn't go away without a war. civil rights weren't won without a huge amount of violence.

I'm also skeptical about people uniting behind Trump to start a huge uprising. reluctant Trump voters have already abandoned him, there are even Trump voters on my FB feed posting about the Nazi stuff. the number of strong Trump supporters is not what it was a year ago

Preferring President Pence is like saying you prefer the same (and probably more) overt discrimination with less bombastic and more tact