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05-04-2017 , 04:59 PM

#34201

JoltinJake

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

to what end? spend that money to support D's? 3rd party? how would cutting off funding of R's be in the interest of mega-donors?

they will threaten to fund primary opponents instead.
this is all about appeasing rich donors who hate the obamacare surtax.

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05-04-2017 , 05:01 PM

#34202

PocketChads

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Originally Posted by Losing all

The more I think about it the more I'm doubting your claims about how this bill goes after rape victims. Everyone knows you gotta pass it to see what's in it and we just passed it.

It's really simple. It allows sexual assault to be a pre-existing condition, which means higher premiums.

But, you're such a great thinker, that you can just doubt it and it goes away.

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05-04-2017 , 05:03 PM

#34203

JoltinJake

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losing all is basically the character from the colbert report. actually reading the bill and dealing with numbers and stuff is for losers. he knows it doesn't do bad stuff. that's what his gut tells him. he doesn't need no cbo elitists to tell him otherwise.

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05-04-2017 , 05:09 PM

#34204

aoFrantic

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Losing all came in with hot takes without having any idea what was in the bill. Just that trump and the gop liked it, everybody else hates it (single digits approval for the last ond that was before all the anti women amendments), but good enough for losing all.

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05-04-2017 , 05:10 PM

#34205

Losing all

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Sometimes I forget that most of the internet just started following politics in the last few months, and of course all quickly became top experts, duh. The pass the bill to see what's in it stuff came from before your times, but it's kinda famous. You might call it a big ****ing deal! Wookie knows

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05-04-2017 , 05:11 PM

#34206

Pwn_Master

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

to what end? spend that money to support D's? 3rd party? how would cutting off funding of R's be in the interest of mega-donors?

A Koch brothers lobbyist knocks on your door and it goes like this:

"We have this big pot of money and it can go to 1) your primary opponent who will do our bidding or 2) your re-election campaign. I'd sure love for it to be the later, it would be in both of our best interests, now wouldn't it?

And oh, by the way, you may be interested to know that we regularly put money in a pot for good soldiers who lose their re-election campaigns and pay them handsomely in their new careers as consultants, lobbyists, etc. I am still earning a living off the Bush tax cuts I voted for in 2001, best career decision I ever made!"

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05-04-2017 , 05:11 PM

#34207

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Originally Posted by Losing all

No, that's an out of context (and stupid, admittedly) quote about a piece of legislation that had MONTHS of publicly available viewing of every word in it

As usual, the fool thinks others are the newcoming fools

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05-04-2017 , 05:12 PM

#34208

Kneel B4 Zod

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as long as you don't die in the next 3 years, I think you'll be ok.

good chance all 3 branches flip to the Dem side by then and they'll just redo this again

also, still a good chance this dies between Senate and House negotiations.

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05-04-2017 , 05:14 PM

#34209

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

to what end? spend that money to support D's? 3rd party? how would cutting off funding of R's be in the interest of mega-donors?

They could fund primary challengers instead. Ask Ted Cruz what he'd do to avoid getting cut off from one mega-donor.

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05-04-2017 , 05:16 PM

#34210

Losing all

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

also, still a good chance this dies between Senate and House negotiations.

V good chance. Krauthammer laid it out word for word to the idiots who ****ed this up the last round. So, drama queens, put the fainting couch back in storage. This HAD to be done! Remember how much glee you took in the entire GOP looking like drooling ******s last go round with this? You think they enjoyed it? THIS HAD TO BE DONE, JFC.

Last edited by Losing all; 05-04-2017 at 05:17 PM. Reason: new keyboard...

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05-04-2017 , 05:16 PM

#34211

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by Losing all

Oh yeah man, you sure showed up those libtards with your out of context quote!

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05-04-2017 , 05:18 PM

#34212

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Originally Posted by Losing all

Wait, do you want the Senate to pass it or not

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05-04-2017 , 05:22 PM

#34213

Victor

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So npr confirmed the senate only needs 51 votes. Sorry hoya. Looks like your wishful thinking wont happen.

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05-04-2017 , 05:24 PM

#34214

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Originally Posted by PocketChads

Wait, do you want the Senate to pass it or not

Whichever will make you more mad.

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05-04-2017 , 05:24 PM

#34215

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Originally Posted by PocketChads

Wait, do you want the Senate to pass it or not

What I want is irrelevant, this thing is very likely DOA. They couldn't let the status quo of that last aidsfest stand. They owned all the faults in the ACA, and a huge broken promise, maybe the biggest ever. When this dies in the senate Obama owns the whole thing again and they "tried".

I generally hate this bull**** Wash showmanship crap, but they HAD to do something.

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05-04-2017 , 05:27 PM

#34216

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It's not DOA at all. The Senate will talk tough to get what they want, then force their bill down the House's throat. The House will talk tough but mostly acquiesce or risk losing mega-donor support. There is a 99% chance this happens now. Republicans could never let that 3.8% tax on the rich stand.

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05-04-2017 , 05:28 PM

#34217

Losing all

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Oh yeah man, you sure showed up those libtards with your out of context quote!

Yeah that's so out of context man, just like another hero calling Obama clean and articulate.

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05-04-2017 , 05:28 PM

#34218

CPHoya

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How the **** can this possibly go through reconciliation?

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05-04-2017 , 05:31 PM

#34219

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by CPHoya

How the **** can this possibly go through reconciliation?

Rules don't apply to Republicans.

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05-04-2017 , 05:31 PM

#34220

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I don't know why any state would choose to opt out of covering preexisting conditions. Other than that and the elimination of taxes which paid for the ACA what is actually changing? Is the ACA time bomb of screwing over the states with the Medicaid expansions still in effect? I would assume it has to be and even accelerated if the tax revenue is going away.

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05-04-2017 , 05:32 PM

#34221

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So - the Senate will write their own bill, which may not be quite so draconian, but still ****ty.

What happens after that? Does that bill then go back to the House where the Freedom Caucus won't vote for it because it's not so awful? Or does it then go to conference between the House and Senate where they find a middle ground that doesn't have to be voted on individually? I'm sure there's a Schoolhouse Rocks episode on it. Does anyone know how this works?

Last edited by Cornboy; 05-04-2017 at 05:33 PM. Reason: reconciliation?

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05-04-2017 , 05:32 PM

#34222

Kneel B4 Zod

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

I think it could get unclear enough whose "fault" it is when this dies in negotiations that the mega-donor thing is overrated. R's will have to weigh that risk with the risk of voting for something that is very unpopular and losing their job when they are up next. D's got crushed after they passed Obamacare, R's are likely to as well if it comes to that.

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05-04-2017 , 05:35 PM

#34223

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Originally Posted by Losing all

Bull****, doing nothing is much less despicable and dishonest than repeatedly saying you are going to make sure everyone is covered with better and cheaper healthcare then turning around and draining billions of dollars in healthcare subsidies to cut the tax bills of your wealthy buddies.

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05-04-2017 , 05:35 PM

#34224

Kneel B4 Zod

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Originally Posted by Cornboy

Whatever the Senate does to change it, the House needs to approve (or re-change). And then it needs to be voted on by Senate.

I'm they can go to conference and negotiate a compromise but the bill needs to pass both houses in formal votes. I'm pretty sure anyways.

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05-04-2017 , 05:35 PM

#34225

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Originally Posted by PocketChads

(replying to Losing's assertion that Obamacare STARTED THIS WHOLE THING WITH PASSING STUFF NOBODY HAS TIME TO READ

No, that's an out of context (and stupid, admittedly) quote about a piece of legislation that had MONTHS of publicly available viewing of every word in it

As usual, the fool thinks others are the newcoming fools

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Originally Posted by Losing all

Yeah that's so out of context man, just like another hero calling Obama clean and articulate.

???