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02-01-2017 , 08:21 PM
war against Chicago and every country in the world other than Russia

Hillary Hawk tho
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02-01-2017 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
war against Chicago and every country in the world other than Russia

Hillary Hawk tho
Clinton's are the most corrupt people ever! Clinton wants to start WWIII! Clintons are nothing but liars!

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Dunno why it took me this long to realize every time trump is bashing someone, he's still talking about himself.
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02-01-2017 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bazooka87
lol
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/...03631635050497



Well at least now we know what he meant when he said that Mexico would pay for the wall. The border separating Guatemala/Belize and Rexico is a 1/4 of the length of the border that used to exist between the US and Mexico.

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02-01-2017 , 08:25 PM
I like how people are shocked that obvious white supremacists like Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon would pursue policies of deescalating the crimes of white supremacists while making up crimes by ethnic minorities in order to target ethinic minorities with the power of the U.S. government.

It's literally a straight line with no conceivable alternative conclusion about the likely chain of events.
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02-01-2017 , 08:30 PM
Trump finally surprised me, I didn't expect him to start all these wars at the same time.

gg Mexico on Cinco de mayo.
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02-01-2017 , 08:32 PM
"I cannot believe these racist nationalist fabulists who campaigned on a racist fake platform divorced from reality are now doing racist things and justifying them by lying!!!!1! Who knew!!"

Seriously.
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02-01-2017 , 08:33 PM
Meet with important trading partner, threaten them with invasion.

Just the best negotiator and deal-maker.
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02-01-2017 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
"I cannot believe these racist nationalist fabulists who campaigned on a racist fake platform divorced from reality are now doing racist things and justifying them by lying!!!!1! Who knew!!"

Seriously.
pivot coming any day now brah...
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02-01-2017 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
"I cannot believe these racist nationalist fabulists who campaigned on a racist fake platform divorced from reality are now doing racist things and justifying them by lying!!!!1! Who knew!!"

Seriously.
But they know some Jews!
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02-01-2017 , 08:50 PM
also they have a black friend in Ben Carson, so they literally cannot be racists

FACTS
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02-01-2017 , 08:59 PM
Rumor out there of a draft of Trump executive order allowing firing based on religion.

and trump berated the aussies over the phone.

Well at least the aussies are doing something right.
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02-01-2017 , 09:00 PM
http://time.com/4657474/donald-trump...o-bad-hombres/

AP has more on the Mexico call.

Bad hombres, the worst hombres.
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02-01-2017 , 09:10 PM
If Trump means what I think he means-- take out major cartel leaders--it seems like a good idea. There has always been tacit acquiescence, and sometimes downright complicity, of the cartels by the Mexican government. The cartels are a huge source of violence and terror in Juarez, and in some interior Mexican states as well. It's also created some spillover violence and terror in US border areas. If Trump can pull it off he might be able to exercise economic leverage over Pena Nieto.

Logistics is obviously tricky, but if Trump can do it I wouldn't mind if he hung a few cartel scalps in the Oval Office.
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02-01-2017 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
If Trump means what I think he means-- take out major cartel leaders--it seems like a good idea. There has always been tacit acquiescence, and sometimes downright complicity, of the cartels by the Mexican government. The cartels are a huge source of violence and terror in Juarez, and in some interior Mexican states as well. It's also created some spillover violence and terror in US border areas. If Trump can pull it off he might be able to exercise economic leverage over Pena Nieto.

Logistics is obviously tricky, but if Trump can do it I wouldn't mind if he hung a few cartel scalps in the Oval Office.
Agree with this.

If there's an aspect of another country that we don't like, we should just send our military in and change it.

**** yeah.
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02-01-2017 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
If Trump means what I think he means-- take out major cartel leaders--it seems like a good idea. There has always been tacit acquiescence, and sometimes downright complicity, of the cartels by the Mexican government. The cartels are a huge source of violence and terror in Juarez, and in some interior Mexican states as well. It's also created some spillover violence and terror in US border areas. If Trump can pull it off he might be able to exercise economic leverage over Pena Nieto.

Logistics is obviously tricky, but if Trump can do it I wouldn't mind if he hung a few cartel scalps in the Oval Office.
Trump couldn't even walk down a ramp without having to hold the British Prime Minister's hand.
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02-01-2017 , 09:21 PM
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02-01-2017 , 09:22 PM
Legalize the harmless, prime profit source of murderous cartels while simultaneously reducing the burden on your own country in many ways? Nah, we gotta go jack up those bad hombres of an allied country, bitch.
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02-01-2017 , 09:25 PM
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Agree with this.



If there's an aspect of another country that we don't like, we should just send our military in and change it.



**** yeah.

I'd equate it more with taking out Bin Laden and other top AQ lieutenants.

Edit: Or Milosevic.
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02-01-2017 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Noze
Legalize the harmless, prime profit source of murderous cartels while simultaneously reducing the burden on your own country in many ways? Nah, we gotta go jack up those bad hombres of an allied country, bitch.

That's another option, but I don't think it's obvious that legalization of all drugs (which would be necessary to disincentivize the cartels) would necessarily lead to reduced harm outcomes.
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02-01-2017 , 09:35 PM
bannon looks terrible

every month he lives it must be a freeroll. what an unhealthy ****. whatever he dies of will be deemed natural causes.
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02-01-2017 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Rumor out there of a draft of Trump executive order allowing firing based on religion.

and trump berated the aussies over the phone.

Well at least the aussies are doing something right.
Sign of the times that I am getting my Australia-related news from a US-centric online forum.

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It should have been one of the most congenial calls for the new commander in chief — a conversation with the leader of Australia, one of America’s staunchest allies, at the end of a triumphant week.

Instead, President Trump blasted Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull over a refu*gee agreement and boasted about the magnitude of his electoral college win, according to senior U.S. officials briefed on the Saturday exchange. Then, 25 minutes into what was expected to be an hour-long call, Trump abruptly ended it.

At one point Trump informed Turnbull that he had spoken with four other world leaders that day — including Russian President Vladi*mir Putin — and that “This was the worst call by far.”
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The issue centers on a population of roughly 2,500 people who have sought asylum in Australia but were diverted to facilities off that country’s coast at Nauru and Manus Island in Papua New Guinea. Deplorable conditions at those sites prompted intervention from the United Nations and a pledge from the United States to accept about half of those refugees, provided they passed U.S. security screening

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“I don’t want these people,” Trump said. He repeatedly misstated the number of refugees called for in the agreement as 2,000 rather than 1,250, and told Turnbull that it was “my intention” to honor the agreement, a phrase designed to leave the U.S. president wiggle room to back out of the deal in the future, according to a senior U.S. official.... Trump was also skeptical because he did not see a specific advantage the United States would gain by honoring the deal, officials said.
lol. Turnbull will be absolutely furious. Completely torching all the goodwill in the alliance over 1,250 people, just the best negotiator.

Australia's defense strategy for years has been to ally closely with the US and kind of provide useful niche capabilities, intelligence and special forces and open access to any defense facilities the US needs here (radar installations, etc). Meanwhile we maintain just enough defensive capability that if we are attacked, we can defend the country until the US shows up to squash our adversary. There must be real worry in Canberra now about whether this is a viable strategy if the attitude of US leadership is not to honor any agreements if they don't see a "specific advantage the United States would gain".
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02-01-2017 , 09:39 PM
alright Australia, you made "The List"!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...05d_story.html

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It should have been one of the most congenial calls for the new commander in chief — a conversation with the leader of Australia, one of America’s staunchest allies, at the end of a triumphant week.

Instead, President Trump blasted Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull over a refugee agreement and boasted about the magnitude of his electoral college win, according to senior U.S. officials briefed on the Saturday exchange. Then, 25 minutes into what was expected to be an hour-long call, Trump abruptly ended it.

At one point Trump informed Turnbull that he had spoken with four other world leaders that day — including Russian President Vladi*mir Putin — and that “This was the worst call by far.”

Trump’s behavior suggests that he is capable of subjecting world leaders, including close allies, to a version of the vitriol he frequently employs against political adversaries and news organizations in speeches and on Twitter.

“This is the worst deal ever,” Trump fumed as Turnbull attempted to confirm that the United States would honor its pledge to take in 1,250 refugees from an Australian detention center. Trump, who one day earlier had signed an executive order temporarily barring the admissions of refugees, complained that he was “going to get killed” politically and accused Australia of seeking to export the “next Boston bombers.”

U.S. officials said that Trump has behaved similarly in conversations with leaders of other countries, including Mexico. But his treatment of Turnbull was particularly striking because of the tight bond between the United States and Australia — countries that share intelligence, support one another diplomatically and have fought together in wars including in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The characterizations provide insight into Trump’s temperament and approach to the diplomatic requirements of his job as the nation’s chief executive, a role in which he continues to employ both the uncompromising negotiating tactics he honed as a real estate developer and the bombastic style he exhibited as a reality television personality.

The depictions of Trump’s calls are also at odds with sanitized White House accounts. The official read-out of his conversation with Turnbull, for example, said that the two had “emphasized the enduring strength and closeness of the U.S.-Australia relationship that is critical for peace, stability, and prosperity in the Asia-Pacific region and globally.”

Even in conversations marred by hostile exchanges, Trump manages to work in references to his election accomplishments. U.S. officials said that he used his calls with both Turnbull and Peña Nieto to mention his election win or the size of the crowd at his inauguration.

Trump’s position appears to reflect the transactional view he takes of relationships, even when it comes to diplomatic ties with long-standing allies. Australia has sent troops to fight alongside U.S. forces for decades and maintains close cooperation with Washington on trade and economic issues.

Australia is seen as such a trusted ally that it is one of only four countries that the United States includes in the “Five Eyes” arrangement for cooperation on espionage matters. Members share extensively what their intelligence services gather and generally refrain from spying on one another.

There also is a significant amount of tourism between the two countries.

Trump made the call to Turnbull about 5 p.m. Saturday from his desk in the Oval Office, where he was joined by chief strategist Stephen K. Bannon, national security adviser Michael Flynn and White House press secretary Sean Spicer.

At one point, Turnbull suggested that the two leaders move on from their impasse over refugees to discuss the conflict in Syria and other pressing foreign issues. But Trump demurred and ended the call, making it far shorter than his conversations with Shinzo Abe of Japan, Angela Merkel of Germany, François Hollande of France or Putin.
what a bunch of ****ing buffoons

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02-01-2017 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Rumor out there of a draft of Trump executive order allowing firing based on religion.

and trump berated the aussies over the phone.

Well at least the aussies are doing something right.
Nope, our Prime Minister literally bent the knee, both to him and the media before it got leaked. We had a refugee deal set up with Obama where the US would take ~1500 of our refugees, many from those seven countries. Obviously Trump isn't on board
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02-01-2017 , 09:48 PM
trump is going to get drunk on power, fed paranoia by flynn and bannon, two paranoid and delusion ****s respectively. everyones going to hate trump (even more) because he's legitimately stupid and forgetful and incompetent. he's going to shun outsiders even more and rely on his group of total ****boys for advice reassurance because he's a ****ing child with no impulse or emotional control.
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02-01-2017 , 09:52 PM
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“This is the worst deal ever,” Trump fumed as Turnbull attempted to confirm that the United States would honor its pledge to take in 1,250 refugees from an Australian detention center. Trump, who one day earlier had signed an executive order temporarily barring the admissions of refugees, complained that he was “going to get killed” politically and accused Australia of seeking to export the “next Boston bombers.”
Every. Thing. Plays. To. The. Base.

In that regard, the bolded is absolutely correct.
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