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This is a fair point and I fault Obama for that nonsense.

There's a post by I think Cornboy in politards with a link to a This American Life ep where they talk about the Iraqis and Afghans who collaborated with the US and were guaranteed visas in exchange for their help who've had a helluva time getting here and it's rather sad. Trump dialed it to 10 though and hopefully that brings attention to the issue.

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01-28-2017 , 10:20 PM

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I think you are massively overestimating the effect that these protests will have. its close to nil.

trump and his cronies will overcome this temporary setback very quickly and this law will be put back in place.

and soon trump slappies will be loudly attacking these protestors and they will be deemed unamerican and crybabies and all that.

To his base that gets their news from Fox..."what protests?"

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01-28-2017 , 10:21 PM

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disagree, Victor. Anything that annoys Trump while simultaneously being a force in local and state politics is very good right now.

Keep protesting, keep calling, keep supporting the ACLU

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01-28-2017 , 10:23 PM

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I'll be that guy. And I won't get a serious answer, but why did no one care when Obama did this to Iraq?

People did care. I remember posts at the time about how people who had done translation etc for the US Armed Forces were being stranded.

It was also a ban on refugee processing only, not on any entry to the US with no exemption for residents.

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01-28-2017 , 10:25 PM

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If Trump had just put a freeze on refugee entries, there would be criticism on here for sure, but not as big a reaction as there has been to this.

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01-28-2017 , 10:26 PM

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I'm listening, if you can tell me the difference or post a link that would be great.

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01-28-2017 , 10:31 PM

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If Trump had just put a freeze on refugee entries, there would be criticism on here for sure, but not as big a reaction as there has been to this.

Seriously this. If everyone already in the pipeline was just left alone and he just cut off the applications from this point forward, he would have 99% of the effect, and 1% of the protesting. Of course, he implements this in the Trumpiest way possible, so here we are.

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01-28-2017 , 10:33 PM

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The fact that people who matter to other people are being inconvenienced surely plays a part. Plus the #alllivesmatter slappies are up in arms too amirite?

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01-28-2017 , 10:36 PM

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Once I sober up maybe I'll post some of the things I'm seeing when I can edit out names and occupations and such. **** you if you support this ****. ****. You.

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01-28-2017 , 10:43 PM

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the most ridic part is that removing trump might actually make all this worse. Trump does want to be loved and may back off at times. Pence dgaf and will go full evil. Trump can't fire Pence (only congress I guess? we're doomed).

On the hail mary side, there is also a non zero chance trump gets fed up and fires everyone he can at once, pence will then takeover probably but it'll at least slow them all down.

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01-28-2017 , 10:45 PM

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I'm listening, if you can tell me the difference or post a link that would be great.

The differences are as follows:

- The Obama administration suspended processing of new refugee claims to the US. They did not cut people off at airports if their claims had already been processed.

- It was one country, in response to a specific failing (terrorists had made it through the screening program). It wasn't 7 countries for no reason.

- Only refugee claims were affected. The suspension did not affect business travellers to the US, green card holders, temporary residents etc.

The last one is the biggy. Trump banned people who live in the US from re-entering the country.

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01-28-2017 , 10:46 PM

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I don't think Pence would have done this on his own given his long ago tweet saying it was unconstitutional. He's not saying anything now because he's a spineless piece of **** (See R. Paul and other congressional Republicans who won't speak up even though they are on record that this is wrong), but highly doubt he would initiate it.

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01-28-2017 , 10:47 PM

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One thing I didn't really think about much back around the election is that my chances of being arrested this year have probably skyrocketed after Trump took office.

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01-28-2017 , 10:48 PM

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Wait til his ICE runs into an office and pulls someone out of her desk who has lived here since she was 2 and sends her back to Mexico. We're in for some really good times bros

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01-28-2017 , 10:50 PM

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Hold on the ban doesn't apply to people who are stranded internationally, right? ****ing **** these ****ing pieces of ****

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01-28-2017 , 10:51 PM

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Hold on the ban doesn't apply to people who are stranded internationally, right? ****ing **** these ****ing pieces of ****

It did til a couple hours ago

So proud of my gubmint

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01-28-2017 , 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Noze

Once I sober up maybe I'll post some of the things I'm seeing when I can edit out names and occupations and such. **** you if you support this ****. ****. You.

this

I don't even care if you're a conservative; this regime is not conservatism

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01-28-2017 , 10:57 PM

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It did til a couple hours ago

So proud of my gubmint

People still overseas, stranded in airports with potentially expiring visas in those countries are still stuck

The court only banned the order on those already in the air or in airports, not those still overseas

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01-28-2017 , 10:59 PM

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good point, but I think that chaos group can control pence.
They can't control Trump, he goes off on random tangents and the remote chance of waking up one day and just fire as many as he can.

I think the plan was trump was always gonna be the fall guy but they probably didn't expect that scenario at all so quickly. I don't trust congress at all till it's way too late (tho GOP is probably gonna keep the russia sanctions, but that's not much help). People are generally pretty conservative/defensive and defending against this needs full attack mode.

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01-28-2017 , 11:00 PM

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I think this is wrong per msnbc. It sounds like anyone with a valid visa, green card, etc will be allowed in and any refugees already approved will be allowed in. The only part of the E O. that stands is that there will be no newly approved refugees.

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01-28-2017 , 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by schu_22

this

I don't even care if you're a conservative; this regime is not conservatism

it's the opposite of conservatism

they believe in the biggest possible government, to create a white welfare state on one hand while weaponizing the federal government against their political enemies

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01-28-2017 , 11:11 PM

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Thanks for taking your time to repsond. And obviously I'm a Trump voter, so I'm going to back out because I can't win. Point still stands though.

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01-28-2017 , 11:11 PM

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I hope you are right

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01-28-2017 , 11:17 PM

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Pathetic CNN airing some show about 80s TV Shows. MSNBC has killed it tonight. Fox has predictably been a complete joke.

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01-28-2017 , 11:18 PM

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Trump likely just going to blame it on the CBP people for interpreting it wrong and say he didnt want any legal people being detained.

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