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01-13-2017 , 04:58 PM

#25826

Wooders0n

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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

To some extent you and others are useless in these discussions because of an inability to live in the real world where pragmatic compromises are necessary all the time. This isn't sim city.

Man

This would like almost word for word be my criticism of your and most other liberals itt. You live in a fantasyland wrt human nature.

Also pragmatic compromises are apparently not necessary all the time in the real world. Ducy?

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01-13-2017 , 05:00 PM

#25827

Wooders0n

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Originally Posted by THAY3R

I just don't think telling people to grow up and support the DNC establishment is even a good idea in the pragmatic progressive 2% at a time sense, let alone a productive strategy of influence.

This is the real world and people are upset with their leaders, and change needs to actually happen, mannn

right

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01-13-2017 , 05:03 PM

#25828

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by EddyB66

What is single payer again?

Medicare for everyone. Or thereabouts

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01-13-2017 , 05:11 PM

#25829

Namath12

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Originally Posted by Palo

It doesn't get better when they're informed because then they get mad that the poors are allowed to get emergency room care without paying.

I disagree, I don't think a majority of even the smarmiest of conservatives want people to have access to literally no care at all, even if it's the emergency room. I've even heard some GOP pols cite universal emergency-room access in their thisisfine.jpeg analyses.

I would have liked more emphasis to have been placed on how wholly dumb and inefficient a delivery method that is but alas we never got that (not that it would have helped, as you correctly allude).

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01-13-2017 , 05:23 PM

#25830

Riverman

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My favorite part of the health care debate is when right wingers inevitably argue themselves into supporting single payer, unironically claiming it as some novel solution.

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01-13-2017 , 05:25 PM

#25831

Namath12

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Sorry I can't embed the video because it's not from YOOTOOB

In Hilarious Glitch, MSNBC Feed Repeats Word ‘Russia’ Over and Over Again Before It’s Abruptly Cut

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01-13-2017 , 05:25 PM

#25832

rtd353

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic

Tut is completely correct. I'll go a step further: repealing without a replacement is the worst thing US politicians have done from a humanity perspective since Japanese internment.

This is why nobody takes you guys seriously.

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GOP leaders' comments that they want to replace the bill at the same time they repeal it suggest that a seamless transition may take time. Ryan has said replacement and repeal would happen "concurrently," and President-elect Donald Trump has pledged it will be "simultaneously."

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01-13-2017 , 05:44 PM

#25833

MEb

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Originally Posted by THAY3R

While the DNC isn't perfect, if enough people in the US had supported them for the past 8 years, we would already have Universal Single Payer Healthcare, and likely UBI too. The ACA stopped where it did because the Democrats didn't have the margins to push through something as big as single payer, so they took what they could get, and ensured healthcare access to an additional 20 Million Americans.

So stop being so apathetic and full of yourself about your fake enlightened bull**** wisdom. You're part of the problem not the solution.

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01-13-2017 , 05:47 PM

#25834

MEb

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

yes, which makes me think that there are actually people on the right who would not only accept that not everyone has access to insurance but would prefer that.

This is correct. There is a fair amount of the right wing that actively wishes harm on other people, generally those different from themselves. They tend to also be the type who get off on authoritarian leadership. It is sincerely disturbing the number of people in our country who support a political party whose top policy agendas center around actively doing harm to significant portions of our citizens.

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01-13-2017 , 05:49 PM

#25835

Krayz

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Originally Posted by rtd353

This is why nobody takes you guys seriously.

Yo brokowski, they are voting to repeal it right now! Guess what isn't being voted on right now? Oh my God!

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01-13-2017 , 05:51 PM

#25836

MEb

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Medicare for everyone. Or thereabouts

I don't like this explanation because it isn't completely accurate and it doesn't show why single payer is so effective in the countries that have it. Single Payer by design has very strong negotiating power on prices, Medicare by design doesn't.

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01-13-2017 , 05:58 PM

#25837

Victor

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Originally Posted by rtd353

This is why nobody takes you guys seriously.

It must be fake news what the repubs are doing then

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01-13-2017 , 06:05 PM

#25838

MEb

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Originally Posted by MEb

Quoting myself because I need to go on on this topic. How ****ed up are we as a country that we blame the Democrats for not being able to push through what would have been the most progressive government program since Social Security while holding razor thin margins in Congress that didn't even amount to true majorities when you take into account Independents and Blue Bloods? But the party that spent the last 6-8 years serving zero purpose other than to obstruct and try to shut down the entire government while pushing forward proposals to actively harm their citizens gets zero blame and instead gets rewarded?

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01-13-2017 , 06:10 PM

#25839

sportsjefe

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Originally Posted by MEb

"(I know they suck, but) YOU PROMISED ME!!!!! You betrayed me, I'm not voting for you, hell I might as well vote for them."

() - person speaking may or may not use this part of the statement

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01-13-2017 , 06:51 PM

#25840

EddyB66

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Would a better solution be to just get rid of health insurance altogether, and take a mandatory % out of everyone's paycheck to put into a nationwide fund that would pay for healthcare for everybody?

I probably just described something already in place but that seems like a nobrainer.

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01-13-2017 , 06:52 PM

#25841

MEb

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Originally Posted by EddyB66

That is single payer. With the added benefit that that fund you speak of is really good at negotiating prices where it's been done around the world.

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01-13-2017 , 06:57 PM

#25842

EddyB66

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So who could possibly be against that?

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01-13-2017 , 06:57 PM

#25843

capone0

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there is issues with single payer though. things typically go much slower. those systems seem to be better than our current one though at least when it comes to price per performance.

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01-13-2017 , 06:58 PM

#25844

kkcountry

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Originally Posted by MEb

and likely UBI too.

lol there's no way you actually believe this

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01-13-2017 , 07:00 PM

#25845

sportsjefe

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Originally Posted by EddyB66

So who could possibly be against that?

Welcome to politics.

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01-13-2017 , 07:01 PM

#25846

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by EddyB66

So who could possibly be against that?

Republicans and moderate Democrats.

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01-13-2017 , 07:06 PM

#25847

SirOsis

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I guess this is from Trump's book "The America We Deserve"

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01-13-2017 , 07:11 PM

#25848

72off

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Originally Posted by EddyB66

So who could possibly be against that?

BIG INSURANCE

similarly, the other day Bernie ridiculously tried to solve the problem of insane drug prices with a bill that would buy them at a cheaper price in Canada, because obviously your lawmakers cannot take on BIG PHARMA
(and ofc the bill died a horrible death)

and in other news...

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Republican lawmakers in Arizona are pushing to prohibit school courses and events that promote ethnic studies and social justice, with legislation that critics say broadly targets academic freedom and students of color.

The newly introduced bill – which seeks to build on an existing GOP-backed law that banned a Mexican American studies class – marks the latest attack in academia on activism and research centered on marginalized groups. Some opponents said the proposal is part of a national trend, tied to the election of Donald Trump, of lawmakers working to suppress progressive organizations and protests.

The bill, from state representative Bob Thorpe, would prohibit “courses, classes, events and activities” in public schools that promote “social justice toward a race, gender, religion, political affiliation, social class or other class of people”. Courses and events that are “designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group” or advocate “solidarity” based on ethnicity, race, religion or gender would also be banned.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...urses-ban-bill

weeeeeeeeeeee!!!