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05-19-2016 , 12:13 PM
Hopefully video rental store employees will soon make the 60k a year they deserve
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05-19-2016 , 12:19 PM
Yeah, you can't possibly have a grasp on how much demand has shifted from medium skill to low skill workers if you think the problem is American workers aren't skilled enough.
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05-19-2016 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Biesterfield
call me crazy but I would really like to stop people from ending up in low wage jobs in the first place (i.e. education/skills development)
You crazy.

Best way to stop low wage jobs is allowing technology and automation to blossom + a basic income allowing the labor pool of low skilled workers to have much better bargaining power.

"Do this and you can increase your income by 50%" is wayyy better for the labor pool and society than "Do this or your kids will starve"

It would also better allow people to follow their true talents and passions(and better realize a closer to optimal society) without that threat of uncertainty.
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05-19-2016 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by shane88888
The obvious solution to stagnating wages is to legislate higher wages.

It's like when Zimbabwe outlawed inflation.
Typical non sequitur
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05-19-2016 , 12:29 PM
Let's start a Tree Fiddy plan.

Everyone gets $350 a week, Federal sales tax of 3.5% and no income tax below $350,000


Spoiler:
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05-19-2016 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
We need low skill jobs, though. And even as educational attainment has increased, poverty hasn't changed much.
but hopefully we can phase out the low skill jobs in favor of technology over time leaving us with only high skill jobs. Ideally those will also disappear in short order and we can then ride the successes of technology to a life of leisure.
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05-19-2016 , 12:33 PM
But then you're left with a heartbreaking tale of robotic love between a lonely waste-cleaning robot that follows the object of his desire into SPACE.
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05-19-2016 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I am perfectly fine with those overtime rules, but are the exempting government employees or changing those salaries? I know a lot of teachers who make less than the ~$47k threshold, but work much more than 40 hrs/week. For those teachers in the 40-47k range this could be a massive boost in pay that gets them to $55-65k depending on how much they work.
I wouldn't be surprised if the prime impetus for this move is to butt**** charter schools.
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05-19-2016 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
Yeah, you can't possibly have a grasp on how much demand has shifted from medium skill to low skill workers if you think the problem is American workers aren't skilled enough.
Can you expand on the first part (of course the second part is correct from a relative global sense)

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but hopefully we can phase out the low skill jobs in favor of technology over time leaving us with only high skill jobs. Ideally those will also disappear in short order and we can then ride the successes of technology to a life of leisure.
Real talk though, this is the future
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05-19-2016 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Biesterfield
Can you expand on the first part (of course the second part is correct from a relative global sense)


Real talk though, this is the future
Used to be, factories made the same **** for years or decades. Train their employees to know the ins and outs of their product, for many reasons beneficial to the company. They'd have employee career plans and ****.

Now, the business model is, understandably, to be sleek and agile. Small number of high value employees. Rely on temp staffing, turnkey and other solutions companies for whatever isn't just the process of maintaining and creating core competencies.

Repair isn't even repair anymore. It's just replace the module and run a debug script. Slows you down to understand what the module does or how it works.

So it's not just that there's less medium skill jobs, it's that every day they look more like low skilled jobs, including in how they're hired and what the model of (temp) employment is.

And of course, service industry still going stronk

When China has been shedding manufacturing jobs for 20 years, it's hard to see the path back to enough medium skilled jobs to support 1950-present American lifestyle. So either that's gone or we could look for other ways to support that lifestyle
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05-19-2016 , 01:01 PM
A life of leisure would lead to profound unhappiness for a lot of people. Humans generally like to have a purpose in life, and sitting at home collecting NEETbux doesn't quite fill the hole. Hence the recent rise of, e.g., opiate addictions and overdoses.
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05-19-2016 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
but hopefully we can phase out the low skill jobs in favor of technology over time leaving us with only high skill jobs. Ideally those will also disappear in short order and we can then ride the successes of technology to a life of leisure.
Seems more likely that in this scenario you end up with an incredibly minuscule spectacularly rich and an overwhelming majority with crippling poverty
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05-19-2016 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Shark Sandwich
A life of leisure would lead to profound unhappiness for a lot of people. Humans generally like to have a purpose in life, and sitting at home collecting NEETbux doesn't quite fill the hole. Hence the recent rise of, e.g., opiate addictions and overdoses.
Hahaha, hence. Good one.
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05-19-2016 , 01:07 PM
B, not just my factories example, either. Like all the people with college degrees, even math degrees, that used to be necessary to push paper. Now an executive with little to no understanding of the concepts behind it just plugs and plays in the computer

It's everywhere. Google the shift from medium to low skilled labor demand or something like that

Numbers are better than words, as long as you have some context
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05-19-2016 , 01:38 PM
All my googling is showing lower demand for low skilled labor which makes sense to me as those are the first jobs substituted away by technological automation.

Or put another way, what used to be medium skill jobs are now low skill jobs and those are lost.

edit - if low skilled labor demand really increased, shouldn't that lead to higher wages for low skilled jobs?
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05-19-2016 , 01:53 PM
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edit - if low skilled labor demand really increased, shouldn't that lead to higher wages for low skilled jobs?
S-U-P-P-L-Y
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05-19-2016 , 02:21 PM
but he didn't say that. his argument was wages are low because labor demand has shifted from medium skill to low skill.

and if that is the argument, well then we are in agreement - low skilled labor supply is too high.
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05-19-2016 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
Hopefully video rental store employees will soon make the 60k a year they deserve
The last video rental store in my area closed just a few weeks ago

The end of an era that ended years ago

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05-19-2016 , 03:10 PM
Yeah, redbox is great and all, but it only has the latest movies usually.

Which means now I have to buy blurays if I wanna watch a movie rather than just pay a few bucks to rent a movie
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05-19-2016 , 03:41 PM
Amazon Prime
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05-19-2016 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I am perfectly fine with those overtime rules, but are the exempting government employees or changing those salaries? I know a lot of teachers who make less than the ~$47k threshold, but work much more than 40 hrs/week. For those teachers in the 40-47k range this could be a massive boost in pay that gets them to $55-65k depending on how much they work.
From what I heard, teachers count as state employees, and this rule doesn't change state employees pay.
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05-19-2016 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
From what I heard, teachers count as state employees, and this rule doesn't change state employees pay.
so this only applies to corporations then? that would make sense
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05-19-2016 , 03:58 PM
teachers always complain about all the extra hours they put in, but don't seem to realize everyone else has more regular hours plus all those extra hours

plus no summers off!
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05-19-2016 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
From what I heard, teachers count as state employees, and this rule doesn't change state employees pay.
Source.
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05-19-2016 , 04:19 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/7-things...overtime-rule/

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Teachers won't qualify for overtime. Teachers are one group that's exempt from the overtime regulations, as well as doctors and lawyers. Still, while the average doctor and lawyer earn a six-figure annual paycheck, teachers at the K-12 level aren't that fortunate. The average teacher salary is about $56,000, but many entry-level teachers earn far below that.
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