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03-12-2016 , 11:30 AM
I, for one, am heartened that large amounts of Americans are still willing to stand up to authoritarian proto-fascists
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03-12-2016 , 11:31 AM
Chicago made me proud yesterday.
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03-12-2016 , 11:32 AM
I don't doubt for a second that last night might actually help Drumpf win the nomination with white dumbs feeling opressed and rallying fuhrer behind Drumpf but it pretty much guaranteed Drumpf gets slaughtered in the general

Sando, my 1k to your 100 drumpf doesn't win the presidency. No stipulations. Quote to book
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03-12-2016 , 11:32 AM
Good for the LOU also. Set the tone and likely helped Trump decide to pull the plug early (which was good for all involved).
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03-12-2016 , 11:33 AM
Pretty much agree with SRM there.
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03-12-2016 , 11:33 AM
really on point interview with rubio this morning where he dismantles trump, especially starting at the 3:10 mark.

but probably too little, too late to stop the trump hate train.


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03-12-2016 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Shark Sandwich
Good for the troublemakers, they canceled Trump's rally just like they set out to do. But it won't generate broad support. A lot of what has been coming from the left has been fundamentally illiberal in the classic sense: shouting down speakers who hold views they don't like, trying to restrict "hate speech," trying to get people fired for holding the wrong views. It's been born and bred on college campuses, so no surprise that this took place on one.

Free speech is about more than the first amendment. It's a principle we as a society should strive to hold collectively. Disrupting and shouting down people you don't like is antithetical to that principle, and this is why it won't generate broad support. Even cuckservatives don't like this nonsense. I expect Trump to get a bump in Tuesday voting after this.
This was actually people using their freedom of speech to fight against a racist hate mongerer. Defenders of the 1st amendment should be proud of what happened in Chicago yesterday.

Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee you the right to say whatever you want free from protest or interruption.

A competent candidate would try to address what is at the heart of these protests.
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03-12-2016 , 11:37 AM
Drumpf blaming Obama while cruz blamed Drumpf was my favorite thing from last night
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03-12-2016 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen
I don't doubt for a second that last night might actually help Drumpf win the nomination with white dumbs feeling opressed and rallying fuhrer behind Drumpf but it pretty much guaranteed Drumpf gets slaughtered in the general

Sando, my 1k to your 100 drumpf doesn't win the presidency. No stipulations. Quote to book
Booked
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03-12-2016 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MEb
This was actually people using their freedom of speech to fight against a racist hate mongerer. Defenders of the 1st amendment should be proud of what happened in Chicago yesterday.

Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee you the right to say whatever you want free from protest or interruption.

A competent candidate would try to address what is at the heart of these protests.
Right, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. But it does mean letting others have their say even if the others are a big meanie bully poopyhead who I just can't even
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03-12-2016 , 11:57 AM
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Right, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. But it does mean letting others have their say even if the others are a big meanie bully poopyhead who I just can't even
1. Drumpf has implicitly or explicitly pandered to the bigotry and hatred of his supporters
2. Drumpf is not free from the consequences
3. The protestors, who up to this point have been forcibly removed by plain clothes security, are the big meanie bully poopyhead who get to have their say

You're too smart to be this oblivious. Why does every Drumpf supporter want to have their cake and eat it too?
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03-12-2016 , 12:09 PM
‏@realDonaldTrump
I just got off the phone with the great people of Guam! Thank you for your support! #VoteTrump today! #Trump2016
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03-12-2016 , 12:11 PM
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Right, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. But it does mean letting others have their say even if the others are a big meanie bully poopyhead who I just can't even
Here's the thing, what happened last night was what the 1st amendment was intending to protect when it was created. This sort of protest is one of very few legal methods that a group of people can use to fight back against a bully who is using hateful and violent language to garner attention and support to his campaign. Its how the public can have an opportunity to intervene in a political campaign.

Earlier in the campaign, Bernie Sanders had a rally shut down by BLM protesters. In examing the reaction to these incidents both from the campaigns, but also from their supporters shows you how a competent campaign that is working for change for the better handles a situation as opposed to how a fascist hateful candidate and his supporters handle things.
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03-12-2016 , 12:12 PM
You....you think Trump is being illegally silenced? You know the first amendment only protects you from government persecution from said speech right? The protesters were exercising their freedom of speech. Nobody made Trump cancel anything, and nobody's first amendment rights were anywhere close to being taken away. Just lol all around.
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03-12-2016 , 12:14 PM
Sando im seriously struggling with the insanity of your take. The constitutional right to assemble should be forfeited because Drumpf has the constitutional right to say what he wants?

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03-12-2016 , 12:45 PM
Guys this is why you LOL TRUMP and his fans and move on. They're idiots.
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03-12-2016 , 12:58 PM
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You....you think Trump is being illegally silenced? You know the first amendment only protects you from government persecution from said speech right? The protesters were exercising their freedom of speech. Nobody made Trump cancel anything, and nobody's first amendment rights were anywhere close to being taken away. Just lol all around.
Where the hell am I saying anyone's rights were violated? Shouting someone down because you don't agree with them is perfectly legal and it's also incompatible with the principle of free speech.

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03-12-2016 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MEb
Here's the thing, what happened last night was what the 1st amendment was intending to protect when it was created. This sort of protest is one of very few legal methods that a group of people can use to fight back against a bully who is using hateful and violent language to garner attention and support to his campaign. Its how the public can have an opportunity to intervene in a political campaign.

Earlier in the campaign, Bernie Sanders had a rally shut down by BLM protesters. In examing the reaction to these incidents both from the campaigns, but also from their supporters shows you how a competent campaign that is working for change for the better handles a situation as opposed to how a fascist hateful candidate and his supporters handle things.
The outside stuff, sure. There was nothing legal about what happened inside the rally.

Saying that you would want the presidential candidate to just back down and change everything for protestors is stupid. Trump SHOULD be who he is. The people have the right to vote for him or someone else. They have the right to protest and try to convince people not to vote for him. They DONT have to right to disrupt his private event and refuse to leave.
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03-12-2016 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by schu_22
You....you think Trump is being illegally silenced? You know the first amendment only protects you from government persecution from said speech right? The protesters were exercising their freedom of speech. Nobody made Trump cancel anything, and nobody's first amendment rights were anywhere close to being taken away. Just lol all around.
I don't think anyone was infringing on his first amendment right. That's not the issue. He was illegally prevented from making his speech because the owner of the establishment granted him authority to decide who could attend and who couldn't when they took his money. Once people start disrupting things and are asked to leave, they are breaking the law by staying. One guy even rushed the stage. If there were any physical threats then several laws were broken.

I do think what happened OUTSIDE the rally was legal and fantastic and whoever organized that should be really commended .
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03-12-2016 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Shark Sandwich
Whee the hell am I saying anyone's rights were violated? Shouting someone down because you don't agree with them is perfectly legal and it's also incompatible with the principle of free speech.
It's actually not legal when it's inside of a private building when the person has been asked to leave.
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03-12-2016 , 01:19 PM
ITT people fundamentally misunderstand the first amendment.
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03-12-2016 , 01:26 PM
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ITT people fundamentally misunderstand the first amendment.
Did you miss the part where I explicitly said the first amendment hadn't been violated

Freedom of speech is a societal value, not just something that congress shall make no law regarding
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03-12-2016 , 01:33 PM
Other things society should just not abide:

Heckling stand up comics
Chants of "WE WANT CARR! WE WANT CARR!"
Booing Goodell at the draft
Booing Stern at the draft
Jets fans booing Jets selections at the draft
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03-12-2016 , 01:37 PM
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Other things society should just not abide:

Heckling stand up comics
Chants of "WE WANT CARR! WE WANT CARR!"
Booing Goodell at the draft
Booing Stern at the draft
Jets fans booing Jets selections at the draft
Pretty clear difference between all of that and actively trying to shut down an event because you don't like what someone has to say
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03-12-2016 , 01:39 PM
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Pretty clear difference between all of that and actively trying to shut down an event because you don't like what someone has to say
Pretty sure NFL fans are trying to boo over Goodell because they don't like what he has to say. Can you believe their gall that they would make it harder to hear him?
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