everytime old ass veronica comes on screen, it kills me

yeah it was painful hearing her talk about throwing that other girl in like it was some big power move.

It's like both of you are completely useless, it means nothing.

18 i think.

This season has been a massive disappointment. Total lack of house fun/drama. And the editing on Challenges has been even more atrociois than usual. You never have any ****ing clue what is going on and then they just announce the winner at the end.

I may not make it to the end of this season. Feels like a chore to watch it.

Editing has gotten corny/tacky/lame

But besides the overuse of word "dirty". This season will be legit

Season still has potential. It isn't like a bloodlines/Invasion where the format just blows thus capping its upside.

But it hasn't been good. Big problem is you have the redemption house and regular house so no one goes home. So you just have way too many people, the herd needs to be thinned like other seasons.

The challenge itself was good but 18 eps is too long. This is what happens when they turn around a season in like a month I guess

this happens at the beginning of every season when it moves slowly and there are too many people around. always recovers unless the format is fundamentally bad

Im enjoying the season tbh, yeah It would be nice to see less Cory hookup bs but at this point its pretty clear producers are trying to appeal to a wider audience and most kids nowadays care about that stuff (the kardashians are a clear example, **** them tho). Plus most seasons start slow until weaker nonfactors get sent home.

Another sign is the music this season, you may not like their choices, but they are spending money and using mainstream stuff.

Raising the prize pool. Dont know if you guys noticed cause they never mentioned It but this is the dirtiest season yet and THEY ARE PLAYING FOR THEIR SHARE OF ONE MILLION DOLLARS.

And yeah, sooooooo many commercials is annoying but...

...dont forget the CHALLENGE was dying (before invasion there were rumours of the show getting cancelled), so i guess the point im trying to make with this ****ty most likely incoherent rant is that eventho i would like a hardcore just competition based CHALLENGE thats probably not sustainable nowadays and i cant get mad at producers for doing what they have to do to save the show.

Watered down bs filled CHALLENGE > no CHALLENGE at all.

**** ANEESSA.

Oh and btw, new edition of champs vs pros confirmed.

Sarah was offered the gig but turned It down cause apparently she wanted the same appareance fee as JOHN.

house drama is a great part of the show when done right. it used to all be about real alliances clashing. wes vs kenny. evelyn vs everyone. CT vs door. people get mad because of the game. I want laurel making paula cry not hiding nicoles peanut butter.

now its all about people discovering sexuality and putting chips under amandas mattress

anyone watching Siesta Key?

Sick that champs vs pros got renewed

I think we all got spoiled during the JEK era. That was peak challengefor like five seasons and we all expected that to continue. Compared to the watered down bs that were the old challenges pre JEK it's still an elite show

JEK brought all the drama

I think the prime was when CT came back to the show and then they started doing pairs challenges.

So from rivals 1 to about exes 2 (the season it was Wes vs Bananas and Jordan/Sarah won) Then bloodlines followed that and been bad since.

JEK was on the rivals 1 but that was their last season. So I'd say the show peak was post-JEK.

rivals might have been the peak for me

Rivals defo the peak for me

Fresh meat seasons and rivals 2 all insanely great too

Fresh Meat 1 was the franchise turning point. Evan, Kenny and Evelyn were just so elite. The end of JEK was definitely a downturn. Even the good rivalries that still exist are from that era.

Just saw a Louise video on Insta where she was taking questions. People asked if she would do another challenge. She said YAAAAS. Hoping she means an actual one and not pros vs champs

Weak ass episode. Get your **** together MTV. 90 minute episodes or GTFO

Can't believe that none of the guys tried to go back and help after they had their ring. I thought the best strategy was to basically pin down their weakest guy, then have the first person to return their ring pin them down while the first wrestler goes and gets his.

As it played out, you def had to just try to get all 5 of your guys through and keep one pinned on the other side and delay them as much as possible

The percidio or whatever is a new low for elimination names.

The "double cross" is just a little too on the nose as well

I think CT's team should have moved as one. Youre only as fast as your last person anyway

Man just re-marathoned Fresh Meat and The Duel and Wes' run in those 2 seasons has to be the GOAT 2 season performance in Challenge history. Wins 5/7 eliminations, including the first 4, with useless ass Casey before losing to Darrell and Kenny in the final in Fresh Meat. Then ships Duel 1 with his only ally in the game, and partner in most challenges being ****ing Svetlana. Plus won one of the GOAT eliminations by beating Derrick in pole wrestling.

where are you seeing this?

it needs to not be for charity (for the champs) so the champs actually care about winning individually. cant have CT stepping down so Wes can go to the final

this is correct. Just take out 1 or 2 of their weak guys and try to let your weakest guys finish first.