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Originally Posted by trippy
Apparently Arum & Oscar are ending the cold war. A Cotto-Canelo fight would generate huge money for all parties involved.
I've heard others say this too. Dan Rafael, that other guy from ESPN too. I don't get it. Cotto isn't promoted by Top Rank.
I know Top Rank was the first promoter listed last night, but that's probably because it was on HBO PPV and Dibella isn't that big, so I'm guessing they struck a deal with Cotto for a single fight.
I don't see why Cotto would have TR promote him vs Canelo, GBP can handle that one solo and it's just giving TR a freebie...
Stranger things have happened though.
Also, the cold war seems more about Al Haymon fighters and Arum fighters, than anything else. HBO cut off Haymon's fighters, Showtime cut off Arum's. I'm not sure I see Manny fighting on Showtime anytime soon, I doubt HBO is going to let that kind of thing happen.
When one of Haymon's top 10-20 guys fights on HBO and/or against a top TR fighter, and it's not just a Lomechenko Russell style one off situation, I think we'll be able to say the cold war is over. We need Garcia Provodnikov, Marquez Porter, Bradley Thurman type stuff.
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Originally Posted by mutigers5591
yeah idk what everyone is talking about
cotto could fight whoever but afaic cotto canelo cinco de mayo seems like best fight. like -300 canelo. no way that doesnt get made cuz that will make so much money (i think?) . give both of them b fights until then but yah
Cinco de Mayo? Please no, way too long! Canelo wants to do another fight this year, then I'd imagine one more in the spring. That's the Lara fight, then 2 more, before May probably. Canelo seems ready to fight big names/tough fights as often as possible these days too, to build the PPV base.
A late fall or early winter fight vs Cotto would make sense. Just too much money to mess around with, Cotto is too hot, and if Canelo wins, he's fully come back from that Floyd loss (and proven he can beat a defensive counter puncher... and that's Lara's MO).
Winner can rematch Floyd at 154, interest should be there (imagine Canelo beating Lara and Cotto, or Cotto beating Canelo).
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Originally Posted by mutigers5591
BRO i agree slightly but only because like the bar for superstar is so high. he can't beat floyd but then........what? i guess we will see him v canelo. this mother****er is a 147 fighter fighting up to 160 basically. heart of a champion. martinez sucked i agree. cotto exceeded all expectations. cotto maidana would be awesome but cotto prob can't get down to 147 anymore
Well, a former 147 fighting at 155. He's a 154 fighter now in his own words anyways. And most guys move up over time. So he's fighting at a weight class 6lbs heavier than his stated preference.
It's not like Manny, who is like a 126 fighting at 147 (144 or so really).
I agree that he looked great, if he just picked up two wins in his comeback I wouldn't say that, but he looked great in those wins. However, a weak/over the hill Rodriguez and the worst Martinez I can remember seeing since some of his early years fights that I watched... that's not fighting a top 5 fighter in any division so far. No way last night's Sergio beats Geale, Murray, etc. Now, I think Cotto is better than Murray, possibly Geale, but do I think he's better than GGG, Quillin, Canelo, Floyd, Manny? No.
I think he's really good. I also think Tim Bradley is really good. Nobody gets excited over Bradley like this though
Just sayin, ya'll got some special love for Cotto.
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Money's fights haven't been selling particularly high as of late as well. Barring Mayweather/Pacquiao happening, I don't think we'll ever see the day where the PPV buys record is in danger of being broken.
DLH Floyd PPV cost $55. It's not comparable. PPV costs like $70 now it seems.
Given the cost, Canelo Floyd PPV is probably the biggest of all time really.
I agree, we aren't likely to see it broken in the near future other than Floyd Manny, it is a pretty big record, and it should not surprise us if an all time record holds for awhile.
I think a Maidana rematch would break 1m buys given the surprising action of the first fight (I think it did like 800k something). A 15% type increase is probably expected there given Maidana's performance. And 1 million buys today is worth 10%+ more than 1 million buys earlier in Floyd's PPV career. The price of these PPVs is beating inflation.