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05-18-2014 , 01:18 PM
Manny fights more in and out now and isn't as reckless. While the risk of Marquez being KO'd is probably a good bit less than their previous matches, I'd imagine the risk of Manny being KO'd is also a good bit less.

3-1 might be too high though, you guys might be right. I mean, Marquez can punch, box, counter punch, etc. Bradley exposed his movement, but Bradley played to his strengths. Manny is a little faster probably and can move at least as well, so maybe he can do the same if he follows that strategy. Bradley barely beat Marquez to my eyes too (I think I actually saw it 6-6, but I don't fully recall), so yea maybe it's more like 2-1.
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05-18-2014 , 01:22 PM
Reflecting on last night's fight. I think Alvarado had the right gameplan, to box Marquez and not brawl early on. Except Marquez was outboxing him easily.

After 3-4 rounds of that, Alvarado needed to fight a new fight. I'm not sure he really did, but it was going to be a prayer type Plan B anyways, hoping to turn it into a brawl and hurt Marquez. Didn't happen at all. Aside from that nice knockdown, Marquez dominated most of the fight and looked great. Alvarado just looked outclassed last night.

I'd imagine Alvarado Rios III is not a bad fight to do. Alvarado could use a tune up fight against somebody with a pulse, but clearly below him. I'd imagine he does the tune up unless Top Rank insists on Alvarado Rios III. I see no other money train type fights for Alvarado, can't imagine Provodnikov Alvarado II would be worthwhile at this point. Alvarado needs to fight at full welterweight anyways.
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05-18-2014 , 02:13 PM
Kevin Iole said Alvarado-Bradley is next but imo that's bollocks.
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05-18-2014 , 04:47 PM
that fight doesn't interest me at all really

i mean i would watch of course but i think bradley outboxes him badly

impossible and moot because of managing situation but i would love to see like JSK-Alvarado. no clue who i would favor in that
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05-18-2014 , 05:15 PM
I figured we'd get Bradley Provodnikov II next (if Bradley doesn't take a tune up, sadly this crap is always possible).
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05-18-2014 , 05:40 PM
Bradley is much more likely to face Provodnikov than to fight Alvarado in what would be essentially a mismatch. If Bob & Oscar really do work together then Bradley is in the mix to face Thurman or Porter. Yes please.

Mayweather v. Pacquiao
Garcia v. Khan II
Bradley v. Thurman
Porter v. Maidana
JMM v. Matthysse

I'd pay for all of those.
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05-18-2014 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
Bradley is much more likely to face Provodnikov than to fight Alvarado in what would be essentially a mismatch. If Bob & Oscar really do work together then Bradley is in the mix to face Thurman or Porter. Yes please.

Mayweather v. Pacquiao
Garcia v. Khan II
Bradley v. Thurman
Porter v. Maidana
JMM v. Matthysse

I'd pay for all of those.
+1 mirrion
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05-18-2014 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
Bradley is much more likely to face Provodnikov than to fight Alvarado in what would be essentially a mismatch. If Bob & Oscar really do work together then Bradley is in the mix to face Thurman or Porter. Yes please.

Mayweather v. Pacquiao
Garcia v. Khan II
Bradley v. Thurman
Porter v. Maidana
JMM v. Matthysse

I'd pay for all of those.
Really doubt GB and Top Rank work together anytime soon. Every now and then we get a story of how the want to put their differences aside and work together but it never happens. Looking at those fights makes me feel we're being robbed as fans.

JMM looks great last night. He's said numerous times that he doesnt want to fight Pacquiao but you never know with these two. I had Pacquiao winning the first two and JMM winning the 3rd. The fight I really want to see is Maidana v Matthysse. Man would that be incredible.
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05-18-2014 , 09:20 PM
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JMM looks great last night. He's said numerous times that he doesnt want to fight Pacquiao but you never know with these two. I had Pacquiao winning the first two and JMM winning the 3rd. The fight I really want to see is Maidana v Matthysse. Man would that be incredible.
Well, he said this before Pac held the welterweight title so that might change things a bit. He also mentioned fighting Porter or Maidana but with the whole GB-TR ordeal and Maidana losing the title the only real option is Pac.
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05-19-2014 , 02:14 PM
Doesn't matter if Arum and Oscar work together, it won't produce the fights some of you think it will.

That's because Al Haymon has guys signed to him, and they don't have contracts with Goldenboy.

It seems more likely that Haymon will take his fighters away from Goldenboy and Oscar will be left with non Haymon fighters (Canelo I think is the biggest he has, and I don't think he has much at 140-147).

Haymon "advises" Porter, Thurman, Guerrero, Khan, Broner, Danny Garcia... Mayweather obviously, the list goes on and on. Goldenboy would be gutted if Schaefer/Haymon left.

Bradley should've refused to sign a new contract with Top Rank, and if it meant losing the Manny fight, so be it, go take your undefeated record to Floyd and Showtime. Everyone had Bradley in their top 5 P4P, that's a pretty darn big fight to make. After that loss, Bradley could face any # of guys in the GB/Haymon stable.

Unfortunately, I don't think we're likely to see Bradley facing any non TR fighters anytime soon.
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05-19-2014 , 02:19 PM
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Mayweather v. Pacquiao
Garcia v. Khan II
Bradley v. Thurman
Porter v. Maidana
JMM v. Matthysse
These are all great fights, agreed. Only the two bolded can potentially happen though. And knowing Haymon's track record, we won't see Garcia Khan II either (that's a sacrifice of two potential Floyd opponents on big win streaks. How dare they fight!).

I'm guessing we get Floyd Maidana II in the fall. Unsure what is going on with Porter, rumblings in news that they don't really want to spend time fighting Brook. Seems like a chance to build a more global audience (fighting Brook in UK), get some good money and solidify your resume going into a potential Floyd fight in 2015. What do I know though?

Porter-Brook then Winner-Khan, winner of that to fight Floyd in 2015... that's sexy.
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05-19-2014 , 02:24 PM
the thing is (imo) brook is a complete no name in the states despite potentially being dangerous and if porter were to fight khan that would build his global audience anyway

it seems to me that porter could just skip ahead to fighting khan and then if he wins that go to floyd perhaps

hell i still have never seen brook fight. i wouldn't mind watching them fight but if the ultimate goal is floyd i'm not sure porter even has to take that step
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05-19-2014 , 08:53 PM
For whatever random reason, I've seen Brook fight a couple times. My impression was, solid but markedly unspectacular.. fighters get extra run because they're from there.
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05-19-2014 , 10:27 PM
Floyd just announced sept 13 he will fight again
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05-19-2014 , 11:33 PM
Manny needs to fight Porter. Not that Porter deserves it or even that he's ready, but rather to unify the titles in the two best fighters' hands.

Titles are kind of meaningless now but having Floyd as WBA/WBC champ and Manny as IBF/WBO champ is sexy.
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05-20-2014 , 05:29 PM
Manny re-signed with Top Rank throught 2016. Likely kills Floyd fight.

Sounds like he's going to try and get JMM V in the fall and Prov is JMM says no
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05-20-2014 , 07:24 PM
The problem with Brook is that he just runs over terribly inferior foes and it's hard to build much of a name outside the UK when you're looking fine-good against terrible opponents at ~140lbs.

Great point about Porter not needing to fight him (unless it's to keep his belt, which he very well could get stripped otherwise) and fighting (and beating) Khan being a good enough play to get Floyd.

I'm kind of thinking that Khan will just fight someone light in November or December, then be a lock to fight Floyd in one of his two 2015 fights. Khan did just sign with Haymon, after all.

Lots to think about, but I'm not all that optimistic, Haymon has been giving us some garbage lopsided stuff (Broner, Thurman, Matthysse, Guerrero probably Alexander) and I don't anticipate a lot of fireworks later this year. I hope I'm wrong.
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05-20-2014 , 09:01 PM
Kell Brook's best win is a against a man KOed by Paulie Malignaggi.
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05-20-2014 , 09:46 PM
lolol
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05-21-2014 , 02:55 PM
Haha PartyGirl, that's awesome.

Just to continue my (expected) sadness over Manny's signing an extension with Top Rank. Good reason to believe Manny's been played for years - http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/464...-michael-koncz

That's old news, happy if anyone has anything more recent, but just sucks how out of touch Manny likely is and how badly TR/Kontz take advantage of him.
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05-21-2014 , 03:06 PM
Not that I necessarily agree but the general consensus amongst boxing pundits in the UK is that Brook KO's Khan. They're also expecting him to bear Porter, that's how highly he's rated over here.
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05-21-2014 , 05:24 PM
We have no idea how good Kell Brook actually is. That is the long and short of it. His managment/promotion team have been shocking from the outside looking in.
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05-23-2014 , 04:04 PM
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Kell Brook's best win is a against a man KOed by Paulie Malignaggi.


Not the most intriguing boxing schedule for this weekend, but I'll be watching Adonis-Fonfara on SHO and hopefully Jhonny-Atwell on Fox Deportes. Also Jermell Charlo has a fight on the SHO undercard, and the Boxcino finals are tonight on ESPN2.

Next weekend, though, will be quite fun, highlighted of course by Froch-Groves II but also Nonito's return, DeGale-Gonzales, Walters-Darchinyan, Anthony Joshua, and Sturm-Soliman.

Also there was a funny story on BS about a fighter named Rocco Santomauro who's on this weekend's Las Vegas card:

"The well-liked and colorful 26-year-old is as known for his out-of-ring antics, such as his signature move of eating cake while weighing in, as he is for his undefeated streak as a professional fighter."

And this picture of Nicholas Walters which cracked me up:



Let's get it on!
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05-24-2014 , 12:52 AM
That pic is great, saw it the other day too.

Also, saw a post about how Martinez's picture on boxingscene where he looks ripped is actually from the JCC training camp a few years ago. Compelling evidence too (including a recent training video from Martinez's camp where he clearly is not nearly that ripped).

I saw the ME of boxino, Petrov just schooled that guy, was pretty cool.
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05-24-2014 , 09:15 AM
A week to go ...

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