i said this would happen, so not really a surprise apart from it is over racism.

So basically you're not prepared to admit that Evra drew his hand back as Suarez approached him. Fine. I'm not here to win a medal for bringing this to your attention. It seems pretty clear for me.

And that's not to mention the mega lol@trepidation.

I'm arguing against a brick wall here. I will agree to disagree.

im a liverpool fan and i will back my team to the hill but your clearly ****ing deliusional if you think that the hand shake was evra's fault i mean come on did you see suarez's face after he knew what he was doing. plus he ****ing admitted it you thick bastard,
i love luis but he is bringing a bad reputaion to the club and the club is bigger than one player... do you think shanks or paisley would have stood for this ****, he left KK (our biggest living legend) out to dry.
he has a very volatile history and he isnt a mario balotelli type either, he is hated.
i think this should be his last chance one more **** up and he should be out there is only so much we can take. i backed him all through the racism case and not shaking evra's hand after telling the club he would is ****ing out of order. 1 one more **** up and he should be out.

rant over YNWA!

Lol at Strachan at the end there. So true.

Aye, I always thought he was a good player but I kind of had a feeling trouble was on its way at some point.

For me, it's no surprise it's over racism. His culture has a very different definition of racism, which seems light years behind ours. Although I mean that in terms of being openly racist. Anyone who thinks Britain is holier than thou when it comes to this issue is just deluded or completely spasticated.

Cwocwoc has been banned? I'm shocked.

I gave him this thread all of his own, but he didn't like that for some reason.

Thick bastard? Really, you want to start insulting me now.

If you can't see why he would apologise, like I pointed out to another fud, then I'm sure who the thick bastard is.

I've been a liverpool fan since I started liking football at about the age of 5, but I realised fairly recently that Liverpool fans have a record of being scumbags. They are England's Glasgow Rangers. My assessment of the handshake is just what I see, not what I want to believe to protect my interests. I couldn't give a **** either way. And I couldn't give a **** if you fell out of your own ****ing arse.

Edit: And by the way, shame on YOU for supporting the racist.

ok then so if luis was so keen to shake the hand of patrice then why didnt he do it after he grabbed his arm?? that would have made it clear and made evra (who is a total scumbag prick) look like a complete **** that he is

But Evra offered his hand. I mean, he really did. Like, no jokes.

Well I'm a Man United fan but the way I interpret the video, which I think I have seen from every angle is like this:

Evra raises his hand and offers it to every player before Suarez. He drops it for Suarez, appears hesitant, and then raises it only as Suarez is walking by with his hand raised. Suarez then ignores this last minute offer by Evra. So it appears that Suarez chose not to shake and that Evra didn't make much of an effort to encourage him. Evra's reaction, grabbing his arm, looking right into the Sky TV camera and his gesture towards Suarez as if to say something like "see, that's what he is like" was provocative and uncalled for and adds weight to the evidence from the past that Evra is a troublemaker. Suarez don't wanna shake he don't wanna shake (even though I think he should have even if he truly believed he was wronged). So the media outrage about Suarez snubbing Evra and compounding his racism is, imo, outrageous and I'm with John Barnes on this one, even though some of the other stuff Barnes says makes little sense.

My first post on this issue was agreeing with this. It's exactly how I saw it and, whether or not I'm right about Evra being a ****, he certainly played his part. It could have been a misunderstanding on Suarez's part, but Evra unquestionably drew his hand out of the way compared to what it was like for the previous players. Suarez went in for the shake, for **** sake you can see it. Evra took his time in returning the action and didn't do so until Suarez had decided '**** you'.

So, I will say again, as I am a thick bastard, I believe Evra instigated this by his actions, which were clear. His intentions, fine, questionable. But his actions are undeniable and this is not just Suarez's fault. Both need to share the blame.

You really, really, really can't.

BASaint, is there going to be a riot in this thread?

nah its just a couple of homers in denial

no one even cares about the race issue, they just want to get one over on their rival team/players

the riots are in here, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/46...l#post31517244

Exactly. At last someone has some ****ing sense in here instead of just pandering to the clique.

If Evra hadn't done this, there would have been a handshake and it wouldn't be all over the news again that Suarez is the biggest disgrace since Genghis ****in Khan.

I really don't think Suarez went in with the intention of not shaking his hand. If someone snubs you with a handshake you can be forgiven for acting defensively and that's what Suarez seems to have done here.

We'll never know exactly what Evra thought but look at him. If you ask me to describe his demeanour, I'd say 'defiant and aggressive'. Watch him eyeballing Suarez as he approached, Suarez looking down. That immediately changes to a poor me, this is racism, the colour of my skin makes this man hate me bull**** look he puts on for the cameras. **** him. ****. I hope I can witness him seriously injured with his legs coming out of his ****ing arse.

We'll never know exactly what either of them thought.

lol @ calling yourself a United fan when every post you have on the issue is in staunch defense of liverpool/suarez and asking why Evra wasn't punished.

GTFO

"a man of low character and a liar" .



And I will add this:

FA having called Evra an ‘unreliable witness’ on two occasions in the past, though admittedly when accusing Englishmen.

Evra is no angel.

English FA is a joke of an organization and a very biased one too.

Please show where the FA have called him an unreliable witness twice.

What? So United fans should have one point of view on this and Liverpool fans should have another? That's just crazy - let me form my own opinions please rather than following the crowd. By the way, I have made no staunch defence of Liverpool/Suarez. I've said Suarez is guilty. "GTFO" - is that your best comment?

lol.

+1 its a joke


edit: but this is hilarious


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo....html?ITO=1490