That seems like a very easy to measure stat

lol, I know, and Bowles has run-blitzed A LOT with Dbs (Mathieu has a number of stops behind the line, in particular), but the CAR part seems fairly telling.

Where is this coming from? They are one of the top teams against the run this year and when I watch Short/StarLo they are winning a lot of 1 on 1s. I don't really pay attention to overall results of plays as I'm basically watching just the guys assignments.

That just shocks me.

PFF, Needle.

Could that run between the guards stat be affected by the Panthers forcing inside plays outside so they don't get counted? Only giving up 3.7 per rush so the Panthers aren't bad against the run by any means. If it was so easy to run inside vs the Panthers teams would be doing it constantly you'd think. They are giving up 4.5 first downs by run per game so it's not the way to beat that defense it seems.

44 attempts is a very small sample and could be skewed badly by 1-3 long runs.

Watching the tape. One play where ADP gets 11 yards Star and Short take on 4 players and give up 0 ground:



Into game 3 of looking at just inside runs.

that would mean theyve given up just 289 yards on 107 other carries. im not buying that as accurate.

Closing the Vikings game out is this "positive" run for the Vikes:



It's an inside run when the game is 35-3.

Yeah their math must be completely wrong. Just got tired of watching the tape because its fairly dominant outside of a few garbage scrambles from QBs and late game runs in that formation. Went to PFR and just added up the runs+yards:

6-43
11-40
7-47
14-45
11-28
10-24
4-12

Which I get as 63 attempts for 239 at 3.79 yards an attempts. Which is close to their 3.7 they are giving up overall.

Looks like they just expected no one to do the math?

I just don't know how you say you watch the games and do all this work then put that stat out there and it not make you question it. Like there is nothing on tape that suggests they are giving up 6 yards a run up the middle. I don't get it.

steven jackson is looking at another 12 carry 20 yard day

Yeah, I just assumed it was good. They have no reason to fabricate. The point about a few long ones skewing it was plausible.

I just don't know where 44 attempts comes from when the call sheet has it at 63. I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something really obvious here.

Edit: Unless they are taking away QB scrambles(I don't think there are 17 scrambles but whatever) but then the y/a would also go down. I don't know. I'm confused, lol.

It does say between the guards--as opposed to inside the tackles.

Not sure how you were defining "inside" runs.

I think they ****ed up their numbers. Carolina has 151 attempts against them they are only looking at 91 attempts. Unless there is another statistic they are hiding of outside the outside runs?

Ok just went through all the "long" runs the Panthers gave up the middle. Unless they are including CJ Spillers 46 yard run "over the guard"(it was a counter play off tackle no idea why its over the guard) the other 3 longest runs up the middle are Ellington, ADP and Zac Stacy. Eli had a 14 yard scramble as well. Ellington's play Short isn't on the field and Star pushes his OL into Ellington in the backfield.

I showed the ADP screencap before.

Again on Stacy's run Star dominates and Short isn't on the field.

Yeah, I'm calling it. This myth is busted.

The top 10 will have plenty of great players. Ya'll must've missed the part where all the best athletes in the 2013 draft only started playing their position and/or football like 2 years ago (Jordan, Ansah, Mingo). Also, offensive line heavy. Nobody who you want in fantasy football.

Tavon Austin is the only one I expected to come in and make an immediate impact and I mean it's hopeless with Clemens now. Under Bradford I was thinking he'd at least make some more plays, but, I mean, my faith in Brian Schottenheimer utilizing Austin anywhere near optimally has been nonexistent since game 1 and declined in the process. I really, really don't know what the Rams were doing picking him and then exclusively using him as a traditional slot receiver. When you draft Tavon Austin that high it kind of means you are dedicated to using him quite a bit at tailback and, you know, things he dominated doing in college; as opposed to not trying at all. Can we just ship him off to the Patriots, Lions, Eagles, somewhere that the coaching staff will actually try to make use of him.

I don't get why the Rams didn't take DeAndre Hopkins if they just wanted a receiver given he was clearly the best one.

Thanks, Needle.

Ellington's for real, right?

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Ellington is crushing it on small sample. Out of Clemson my scouting report on him was "he's really fast, also he's fast." That's it. Didn't seem particularly good at breaking tackles, pass protection; hell they didn't even throw it to him. He had 14 receptions last year, and through 8 games with Arizona he already has 22 for 198 yards. Perhaps SPEEEEEEED is even more important than I thought.

Heh...that number just shocked me when you posted it. I had to dig into that because it felt extremely wrong. FWIW I do lean on PFF for certain things(DB coverage numbers, special team stuff, snap counts) and I do look into a few of their articles where they aren't over their head in the evaluation stuff.

As far as Ellington, I've turned on a few Cards game this year specifically to watch the defense and maybe left it on too much when the offense is on the field. Just from a short eyetest(and watching the Panthers game where he gets 7 carries) and he seems to have tremendous feel. That 11 yard run where Star shoves the guard into Ellington's face he has a smooth cut out of it and slips through a small hole to bust a 11 yard play that maybe should have been a negative if one other player had won their 1 on 1.

I'd have to watch him more but I think a season of 150 to 175 touches is what'd I'd want out of Ellington this year. Don't load up on him and continue to take advantage of that burst of speed he can offer. Get his ability in the pass protection better with reps, overall I think just easing him in as they have been is what I'd imagine to be the best way to handle the situation.

C.J. Spiller right guard for 46 yards (tackle by Thomas Davis)

Adrian Peterson up the middle for 31 yards (tackle by Michael Mitchell)

maybe these two plays are skewing the stats a bit. those are by far the two biggest runs the panthers have given up, in fact 4 of the top 5 biggest were up the middle.