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01-08-2018 , 12:39 AM
Either one is fine so long as we don't fill it up with talk about players who aren't good enough to actually get a job playing in the league. Or maybe we could have a different thread for that.
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01-08-2018 , 12:51 AM
For those who still think the Bills should stick with Tyrod:

The Bills' record over the last 18 games they've entered the 4th quarter while losing:

Spoiler:
0-18


Tyrod has been the QB for all those games. He cannot win a game with his arm.
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01-08-2018 , 01:01 AM
Just change the title
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01-08-2018 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
Either one is fine so long as we don't fill it up with talk about players who aren't good enough to actually get a job playing in the league. Or maybe we could have a different thread for that.
can you please list the players who aren't worthy of being talked about?

thanks
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01-08-2018 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
For those who still think the Bills should stick with Tyrod:

The Bills' record over the last 18 games they've entered the 4th quarter while losing:

Spoiler:
0-18


Tyrod has been the QB for all those games. He cannot win a game with his arm.
The Bills made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years, despite the team appearing to be actively tanking. They also benched him for Peterman, who threw more INT's in a half + 1 minute than he did the entire season.

You can be angry all you want about Tyrod but there is no one better on that roster right now or for that matter, quite some time suiting up a Bills uniform.
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01-08-2018 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
For those who still think the Bills should stick with Tyrod:

The Bills' record over the last 18 games they've entered the 4th quarter while losing:

Spoiler:
0-18


Tyrod has been the QB for all those games. He cannot win a game with his arm.
Rodgers record over the last 35 games they've entered the 4th quarter while losing vs winning teams: 0-35

Obviously vs winning teams is different he's just the first QB I searched. If anybody can find a table of all the QBs would be interesting.
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01-08-2018 , 01:59 AM
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Rodgers record over the last 35 games they've entered the 4th quarter while losing vs winning teams: 0-35
Seahawks 2015 + Cowboys 2014 playoffs
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01-08-2018 , 03:01 AM
My bad 0-35 when trailing by more than 1 in the 4th to winning record. Not trying to slight Godgers. Trying to point out how surprising that nature of stat can be re: Tyrod.
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01-08-2018 , 03:06 AM
Tyrod also holds the lowest INT% in NFL history at 1.4%. Him and Smiff don't get enough credit for simply not throwing the ball to the other team.
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01-08-2018 , 03:25 AM
You guys don't get it...he can't win games. I've seen every snap of his and have wanted him to be the Guy. But he's not. Watch the Jags game again and you will see Tyrod in a nutshell. He doesn't anticipate. He can't get the ball into a tight window.

Did you see Brees today? On his second drive he threw a pass to Thomas that Tyrod has never even attempted. Granted, he's Brees.

I understand he helped the Bills make the playoffs. But just because there isn't anyone on the team better than him right now, it doesn't mean there can't be next year.

I've long thought the Bills should keep Tyrod next year, get a vet (AJ McCarron?), and draft a young stud. If the stud or the vet can outplay him, he's gone.

But now I think keeping him just slows the Bills from becoming a real contender.

Tyrod's INT % is great, yes, but it's also mostly because he won't throw it up for Benjamin in a 50/50, and he won't try to make a play with his arm. He'd rather dump it off or make a play with his feet. He attempts fewer passes than any other starting QB in the league.

Yes, they need other fixes like WR, OL, and LB. But it all starts with the QB.

And he ain't the Guy. He has hit his ceiling. Three years has proven that.
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01-08-2018 , 04:52 AM
I thought Cam Brees and Ryan were all awesome this weekend.

Tyrod wasn't impressive if you wanna move on and tank you seemingly have the perfect QB in Peterman to do it. Just don't think that O vs Jags D is a fair fight. If you stack up all the Jags defenders vs all Bills offensive players you might have 7+ Jags defenders to start the list. Genuinely curious as how people who know more about Bills would order that Bills starting O lineup from top to bottom. Ya Shady is good but was banged up. Outside of him do they have one solid difference maker on offense?

Last edited by BillNye; 01-08-2018 at 05:07 AM.
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01-08-2018 , 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
You guys don't get it...he can't win games. I've seen every snap of his and have wanted him to be the Guy. But he's not. Watch the Jags game again and you will see Tyrod in a nutshell. He doesn't anticipate. He can't get the ball into a tight window.

Did you see Brees today? On his second drive he threw a pass to Thomas that Tyrod has never even attempted. Granted, he's Brees.

I understand he helped the Bills make the playoffs. But just because there isn't anyone on the team better than him right now, it doesn't mean there can't be next year.

I've long thought the Bills should keep Tyrod next year, get a vet (AJ McCarron?), and draft a young stud. If the stud or the vet can outplay him, he's gone.

But now I think keeping him just slows the Bills from becoming a real contender.

Tyrod's INT % is great, yes, but it's also mostly because he won't throw it up for Benjamin in a 50/50, and he won't try to make a play with his arm. He'd rather dump it off or make a play with his feet. He attempts fewer passes than any other starting QB in the league.

Yes, they need other fixes like WR, OL, and LB. But it all starts with the QB.

And he ain't the Guy. He has hit his ceiling. Three years has proven that.


They were playing the #1 pass defence on the road tho

And his receivers are basically ****, rarely get open and don’t fight for balls they should be favourites for

I know you watch more Bills than the rest of us do, certainly than me..but I think he’d be a load better with better receivers
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01-08-2018 , 05:41 AM
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They were playing the #1 pass defence on the road tho

And his receivers are basically ****, rarely get open and don’t fight for balls they should be favourites for

I know you watch more Bills than the rest of us do, certainly than me..but I think he’d be a load better with better receivers
He had Woods and Watkins for two years. He misses two many open receivers. Against the Jags, he had both Thompson and O'Leary open for TDs and overthrew them. Not difficult passes, either.

I would've liked to see Tyrod with an OC that tailored his scheme for him. But he's certainly not a drop-back QB.

Believe me, over the years I've been pushing for Tyrod as a franchise guy...but it just ain't there. Bills held the Jags to 10 points and the game wasn't close because Tyrod can't seal the deal. He never has and he never will.
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01-08-2018 , 06:33 AM
But what happens in the very realistic situation where McCarron or the young stud can't outplay Tyrod? You'd also have to give up a lot of capital to get one of the top QBs in this draft because there's so many needy teams.

Here's my solution to scoring more than three points yesterday: when you're gifted a new set of downs at the one yard line don't call for a ****ing fade vs one of the best corners in the league

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01-08-2018 , 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
He had Woods and Watkins for two years. He misses two many open receivers. Against the Jags, he had both Thompson and O'Leary open for TDs and overthrew them. Not difficult passes, either.



I would've liked to see Tyrod with an OC that tailored his scheme for him. But he's certainly not a drop-back QB.



Believe me, over the years I've been pushing for Tyrod as a franchise guy...but it just ain't there. Bills held the Jags to 10 points and the game wasn't close because Tyrod can't seal the deal. He never has and he never will.


Thompson definitely at fault for that last INT
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01-08-2018 , 12:46 PM
Bills WRs are so bad the Panthers and Bears didn't even want them.
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01-08-2018 , 01:10 PM
Bears hire Chiefs OC Nagy as the new head coach.

The Eagles version and not the chiefs version of Reid please?

Last edited by wheatrich; 01-08-2018 at 01:30 PM.
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01-08-2018 , 01:26 PM
Tyrod is absolutely bottom third of the starting QBs. Dom is actually right.
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01-08-2018 , 02:15 PM
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But what happens in the very realistic situation where McCarron or the young stud can't outplay Tyrod? You'd also have to give up a lot of capital to get one of the top QBs in this draft because there's so many needy teams.

Here's my solution to scoring more than three points yesterday: when you're gifted a new set of downs at the one yard line don't call for a ****ing fade vs one of the best corners in the league
The play was an RPO. Tyrod did that.

And if they can’t find anyone better than Tyrod to start next year, yeah, then, ok, I guess we’re stuck with Tyrod and another mediocre season. Because you aren’t winning playoff games or even going on a modest 3 or 4 game winning streak w Tyrod as your QB.

Better WRs would be nice, too.

And Dennison as an OC is a joke. Jackass actually called for a ****ing slant to Mike Tolbert and a screen to slow Charles Clay.
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01-08-2018 , 02:15 PM
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Bears hire Chiefs OC Nagy as the new head coach.

The Eagles version and not the chiefs version of Reid please?
The guy who quit running the football on Saturday?

LOL Bears
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01-08-2018 , 02:36 PM
Who calls the plays in KC?

"Reid was asked who was calling plays and he said that he called the bad ones and Nagy called the good ones. Obviously, not a totally real answer there."

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...tery-continues
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01-08-2018 , 03:05 PM
Lol at using a road playoff game against a historically great pass defense with a bunch of ****ty receivers who can't separate as evidence Tyrod can't play

I mean, if you can somehow land a franchise QB with two picks in the 20s, great. If your solution to replacing Tyrod is, like, Nathan Peterman, or a guy who hasn't been able to beat out Andy Dalton, or a 35-year-old checkdown king, though... again, lol.
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01-08-2018 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
Either one is fine so long as we don't fill it up with talk about players who aren't good enough to actually get a job playing in the league. Or maybe we could have a different thread for that.
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
can you please list the players who aren't worthy of being talked about?

thanks
Isn't it great when terrible posters preemptively fill their diapers over fear this thread won't conform to their sports-talk-caller expectations?
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01-08-2018 , 03:26 PM
Hiring a coordinator who had 1 year experience who didn’t call the plays seems like a fail forward fast move by the Bears.
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01-08-2018 , 03:32 PM
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Lol at using a road playoff game against a historically great pass defense with a bunch of ****ty receivers who can't separate as evidence Tyrod can't play

I mean, if you can somehow land a franchise QB with two picks in the 20s, great. If your solution to replacing Tyrod is, like, Nathan Peterman, or a guy who hasn't been able to beat out Andy Dalton, or a 35-year-old checkdown king, though... again, lol.
LOL at thinking I'm using one playoff game or calling for Nathan ****ing Peterman to replace him, or to replace him with someone worse. LOL at you LOLing at an opinion of someone who has seen every snap of Tyrod's when you've probably seen maybe 5 games of his over the last three years. I'm saying the Bills need better. Period.

But please, keep LOLing, Mr. "I know better than everyone else all of the time."

Do you have anything of substance to add or do you want to just keep LOLing and sneering at us pleebs who don't know better? If you don't see that Tyrod IS a checkdown king, then you haven't seen any games of his at all.

Last edited by Dominic; 01-08-2018 at 03:38 PM.
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