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02-04-2014 , 11:53 PM

#2451

gs3737

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Also sucks. That Cassell could be so successful in 2008 makes it pretty clear that 2007 was by no means on the back of one guy.

Cassel would start for 7-8 teams in the NFL right now.

Painter would start for 0.

Comparing the drop offs is ridiculous. The Pats had a capable QB on their roster. The Colts had a guy who had no business playing in the NFL.

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02-04-2014 , 11:58 PM

#2452

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by gs3737

Cassel would start for 7-8 teams in the NFL right now.

Lol Pats fans

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02-05-2014 , 12:08 AM

#2453

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Originally Posted by gs3737

Cassel would start for 7-8 teams in the NFL right now.

LOOOOOOL.

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02-05-2014 , 12:11 AM

#2454

gs3737

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Originally Posted by NLSoldier

LOOOOOOL.

...says the guy whose team's best QB this year was Cassel

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02-05-2014 , 12:21 AM

#2455

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exactly. and he didn't even start until CHRISTIAN PONDER got injured. And then the team brought in JAWSH FREEMAN and tried to start him too, just to avoid having to start a guy who you just claimed could start for 7-8 teams.

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02-05-2014 , 12:26 AM

#2456

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week 17 cassell definitely could have started for the jets, raiders, browns, jaguars and rams. not exactly a point in favor of cassell though more than it is lol those guys

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02-05-2014 , 12:39 AM

#2457

Ray Horton

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We'd have given Cassell a look.

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02-05-2014 , 12:44 AM

#2458

moistpanties

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Originally Posted by gs3737

Cassel would start for 7-8 teams in the NFL right now.

Hahaha good one.

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02-05-2014 , 12:45 AM

#2459

gs3737

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Originally Posted by NLSoldier

Your team forcing Ponder out there, to try and get some return on their 1st round investment, doesn't mean Cassel wasn't the best QB on your team, played the best, and should have started from week 1.

Freeman was just lol front office incompetence.

NYJ, MIN, JAC, HOU, OAK, CLE, TEN, BUF--all started inferior QBs this year.

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02-05-2014 , 12:47 AM

#2460

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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen

week 17 cassell definitely could have started for the jets, raiders, browns, jaguars and rams. not exactly a point in favor of cassell though more than it is lol those guys

Not saying anything more than Cassel is an adequate NFL QB who can win games in the right situation.

Painter is utterly worthless in NFL, no matter the situation.

Comparing the decrease in wins is utterly absurd.

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02-05-2014 , 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gs3737

Cassel would start for 7-8 teams in the NFL right now.

Its probably not 7 and any team hes starting for hate life and are irrelevant

Even when you have NE 07 talent around you

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02-05-2014 , 08:25 AM

#2462

gs3737

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Originally Posted by bottomset

Its probably not 7 and any team hes starting for hate life and are irrelevant

Even when you have NE 07 talent around you

Geno, Weeden, Gabbert, McGloin, Ponder, Keenum, etc. played in teams that fit your criteria.

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02-05-2014 , 02:09 PM

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Kneel B4 Zod

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change title to "NFL Old and Ongoing Bicker about Manning vs. Brady vs. Cassell Thread.

Cassell btw was 25th in EPA/P and 23rd in DVOA. I don't consider myself an authority on the 7 worst starting QB's in the NFL but I don't think it's crazy to put him in that convo offhand

(also think that any QB SortBy stats are overrated)

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02-05-2014 , 03:03 PM

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Ray Horton

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For everyone that is comparing Cassell to Painter:

Jaguars bench Gabbert, start Henne, and go from historically bad to better than the Texans.

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02-06-2014 , 12:28 PM

#2465

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Originally Posted by gs3737

Holy hell, this thread has actually made me stop caring about this argument.

Aaron Rodgers will go down as the GOAT when it's all said and done.

No way. He's going to turn 31 this year already and that DUMB FAT coach of his will continue to hold him back from accomplishing great things.

He definitely had reasonable GOAT equity after his first RANG but he's below 5% now for sure.

I still can't believe Brady/Peyton/Brees/Rodgers haven't won a SB in 3 years running. 10-player-seasons. Peyton was out a year and Brees' 2012 had no chance without Payton. That group is evenly distributed NFC/AFC and it was looking like they'd win just about every SB.

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02-06-2014 , 12:47 PM

#2466

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This thread makes me sad to be a Pats fan. All things equal you take Manning ainec. Of course it's still fun to laugh at Peyton when he blows it in the big game but that doesn't make Brady better.

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02-06-2014 , 01:19 PM

#2467

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it's also fun to laugh at Peyton choosing John Fox and the Broncos over Harbaugh and the 49ers

he seems like a legit smart guy with tons of football knowledge (and a good guy, and I have no hate for Peyton) but man that decision. that could have easily created the GOAT team.

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02-06-2014 , 02:42 PM

#2468

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Man it seems QBs breaking records is the new Madden Curse.

1984: Marino sets yardage and TD record for single season -> loses SB by 22 pts.
2007: Brady sets new TD record for single season -> loses SB as big favorite and does not complete perfect season.
2008: Brees sets new yardage record. His team goes 8-8 and misses playoffs.
2011: Brees again sets new yardage record. His team loses to ALEX SMITH in playoffs.
2011: Brady sets begging for flag record, loses SB again.
2013: Manning sets new yardage and TD record for single season -> loses SB by 35 pts.

Obviously these QBs may be compensating for mediocre or bad defenses but still it's interesting.

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02-06-2014 , 04:13 PM

#2469

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Originally Posted by A-Rod's Cousin

Aside from 2007, I think all of those teams were pretty one-dimensional. If they run into a team good enough to at least slow that dimension, great as it may be, there's not much else to rely upon.

If someone stopped the Brees Saints in 2008 or 2011 on 3 or four straight possessions, it wasn't likely the defense was gonna follow suit. A lot of pressure to execute at a high level every single game ... plus wind, weather, etc a lot more likely to throw a wrench into the works than a team that can lean on their defense or the run if needed.

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02-06-2014 , 04:19 PM

#2470

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Originally Posted by powder_8s

Tom Brady has one of the most interesting careers of any QB in history. I believe he is the worst QB to win multiple SB's and I feel he is the best QB to never win a super bowl. All in the same career.

Here is what I mean. His 3 SB wins were based on luck and possible cheating. Those Pats teams are not legendary. They lucked out with the tuck rule. They played weak opponents and cheated their way to 3 SB wins. TB was not a great QB at the time, and at the time of his 3rd win, was probably the worst QB to have won multiple SB's.

Since the Pats last SB win. Brady's play has improved greatly. He has played like a legitimate all time great. But he hasn't won a SB since improving his game and becoming a legit top 10 QB of all time.

TB's career really makes me wonder how much weight should be put on winning SB's, when judging a QB's career.

I always loved the Bill Barnwell example of "what if you reversed Brady's career?," where he has to overcome two painful losses to the clutch Eli Manning to fight his way, Elway style, to three wins in his last four years. Of course, to do so, he and his coach have to avoid being railroaded out of town for their years of UNCLUTCH CHOKE.

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02-06-2014 , 06:31 PM

#2471

MDoranD

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Hilarious the people who try to exclude Bradys many Super Bowl winning playoff runs from their samples to try to sell their biased agenda.

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02-06-2014 , 06:39 PM

#2472

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Hilarious how people try to exclude Bradys many Super Bowl chokes and reliance on his supporting cast from their samples to try to sell their biased agenda.

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02-06-2014 , 06:42 PM

#2473

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Big difference between losing multiple AFCCG's and SB's (while winning 3 SB's) and not even being able to win 1 playoff game most years.

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02-06-2014 , 06:44 PM

#2474

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02-06-2014 , 07:44 PM

#2475

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In Bradys 2 Superbowl chokes the Pats were in the lead and gave up a TD in the final minute of both games. Obviously you want them to score more than 14 and 17 points but its not like he gagged and lost by 30+

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