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12-28-2010 , 04:19 PM

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Tom Brady :
Cite TDs and INTs when he has a season in which he does well in it
Cite Ranngggzzzz when he doesn't

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12-28-2010 , 04:20 PM

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maybe he refused to challenge because he was confused about something but there is no way he was taking some kind of stand in a playoff game

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12-28-2010 , 04:21 PM

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QB's have less control over INT's than you think
QB's have more control over sacks than you think
OL affects QB's more than you think

Manning is GOAT, not close

BUMP, though for some reason I forgot to mention coaches

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12-28-2010 , 04:25 PM

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Victor:

make things up
pretend thats ok

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12-28-2010 , 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodie

If this was directed at me, I'm not sure what you mean.

when i was talking about in-game managing i was more talking about how good Manning is pre-snap with reading the D, shifting the line, changing the plays or pretending like hes gonna change the play etc

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12-28-2010 , 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

Victor:

make things up
pretend thats ok

wow this is truly infuriating. all i have to say is that such accusations reflect much more poorly on your character than mine.

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12-28-2010 , 04:35 PM

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http://a.espncdn.com/nfl/columns/cla...n/1476343.html

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Given his choice, he'd rather go without replay, but he's in the minority and is trying to satisfy the majority.

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"I don't like it, but everybody else seems to," Dungy said.

we are getting somewhere and i am confident i will be correct.

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12-28-2010 , 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoffRas22

I knew what you were talking about. Wouldn't you say that most of those attributes are things that Brady would need to excel in for him to have the season he's having? And, in your observation of Brady, wouldn't you say that he's excelled in these areas for years?

That's my stance anyhow.

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12-28-2010 , 04:40 PM

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who said hes not really good at them?

Manning simply is the best at that stuff

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12-28-2010 , 04:41 PM

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Dungy is awful. Maybe he's good at motivating his players and relating to his players with his anecdotes about god, but he's a terrible in game coach. Remember when they asked him what he thought about the Belichick 4th down play? He said something like "I think you just need to go with the percentages and punt" Jesus Christ.

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12-28-2010 , 04:43 PM

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moar research. dungy challenged plays in tampa but seemingly stopped at some point with the colts. havent uncovered solid evidence, but plenty of message board indications that dungy didnt challenge a single play in 2004, which is in line with my memory. how many other years did he fail to challenge? and what are the chances that a crucial play cost them?

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12-28-2010 , 04:49 PM

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Peyton: WTF IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A CATCH CHALLENGE THE PLAY
Dungy : God has a plan

Peyton :

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12-28-2010 , 04:50 PM

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but he has had an MVP caliber year because of his TD/INT ratio and his mistake free play. That, to me, is hugely related to his managing of the game, reading defenses etc.

Well that, and the fact that I've counted I think 14 dropped INTs by defenders this year.

I love Brady. He's awesome. But he's run sick good this year.

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12-28-2010 , 04:50 PM

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i mean, if he didnt challenge a single play over the course of a season, you cant deny that that doesnt hurt his team, which was what my point was.

kbz

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should slink away like hte scumbag he is when proven wrong

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12-28-2010 , 04:50 PM

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who said hes not really good at them?

Manning simply is the best at that stuff

Okay. I don't understand what your arguing then. I said it was close. Debo made a comment that me saying it was close was VERY, VERY wrong. I defended by stance.

Are we agreeing then?

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12-28-2010 , 04:54 PM

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Well that, and the fact that I've counted I think 14 dropped INTs by defenders this year.

I love Brady. He's awesome. But he's run sick good this year.

I think 14 is overstating. And I don't think there has been many that were either poorly thrown or easy interceptions. There were definitely a few that were tipped or went off of receivers fingers that were close.

I think even if Brady ran even this year, he would still be in single digits for interceptions.

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12-28-2010 , 04:57 PM

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No **** 14 is overstating. I was exaggerating, by a lot.

Yes, he would be in the single digits. He takes care of the ball better than maybe any other quarterback. I just wanted to make sure you didn't think that his low INT rate was due only to being an awesome QB and not due to some amazing bounces.

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12-28-2010 , 04:59 PM

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Running good is basically a prerequisite to setting any major record.

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12-28-2010 , 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

dungy disagreed with the instant replay rules, so he refused to ever use a challenge for years. this cost them dearly in a playoff game and the next season he would throw the flag, presumably after a stern lecture from management.

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kbz

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if you can find evidence that Tony Dungy went multiple years without a challenge, I will apologize. until then I'll just assume you are talking out of your ass

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12-28-2010 , 05:02 PM

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There's been a lot of talking out of their ass ITT. Victor has done little if any of it. I wonder why you chose this time to make a stance.

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12-28-2010 , 05:03 PM

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my apologies for not spending more time in here calling more people out

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12-28-2010 , 05:04 PM

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i gotta go now but its out there

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12-28-2010 , 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Donkey OT

Didn't realize you were exaggerating, sorry about that. Of course I realize you have to run pretty damn good to have only 4 int in a season. I'm not the idiot that everyone wants to believe I am.

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12-28-2010 , 05:08 PM

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Colts Coach Tony Dungy didn't make an instant-replay challenge to a call all of last season but made one Thursday night on one of the two fumbles lost by James, contending that the tailback was down by contact before the ball came free. Dungy lost the challenge. . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep10.html

So it was probably only one season, but it was at least one season.

You're welcome Victor.

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12-28-2010 , 05:11 PM

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This link sounds like Dungy didn't like or understand the system at first. It doesn't sound like he refused to challenge plays, though.

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At Tampa, the Bucs claim video evidence shows that they got bad calls on two turnovers that gave the Giants their only touchdowns in a narrow victory. Tony Dungy, the Tampa Bay coach, admitted he failed to challenge the calls because he thought the rule meant what it said.

The rule says a referee is only supposed to make a change if there is "indisputable" video evidence.

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"They're now reversing plays that are close calls and that's not what they told us the system was supposed to do. As a coach, I guess I've got to use all my challenges, because they seem to be reversing anything that's close."

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